HOUSTON — Democratic presidential candidate Julián Castro aggressively challenged Joe Biden — a fellow former Obama administration official — on the debate stage here Thursday, seeming to question the former vice president’s memory and saying he was not fulfilling former President Barack Obama’s vision on health care.
The showdown early in the debate at Texas Southern University came after Biden criticized the “Medicare for All” health care plan touted by U.S. Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, among others. Arguing that the idea would force people off their current insurance plans, Biden instead praised the Affordable Care Act under Obama.
Warren “says she’s for Bernie. Well, I’m for Barack. I think it worked,” Biden said.
Castro, the former mayor of San Antonio, then took aim at his party’s frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.
“I want every single American family to have a strong Medicare plan available,” Castro said to Biden. “The difference between what I support and what you support, Vice President Biden, is you require them to opt in, and I would not require them to opt in. They would automatically be enrolled. That’s a big difference.
“Barack Obama’s vision was not to leave 10 million people uncovered. He wanted every single person in this country covered. My plan would do that; your plan would not.”
When Biden responded that his health care plan didn’t require people to buy in, Castro repeatedly accused Biden of “forgetting” what he just said — a striking comment that seemed to allude to Biden’s age, an issue that candidates for the most part have avoided on the national debate stage.
“You just said that two minutes ago. You just said two minutes ago they would have to buy in. ... Are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago?” Castro said, eliciting an audible reaction from the audience. “Are you forgetting already what you said just two minutes ago? I can’t believe that you said two minutes ago that they had to buy in, and now you’re saying they don’t have to buy in. You’re forgetting that.”
Biden, 76, took aim at several progressive candidates’ Medicare for All plans, but the skirmish with Castro was the most direct — and the most personal.
“I’m fulfilling the legacy of Barack Obama, and you’re not,” Castro said.
“That’ll be a surprise to him,” Biden responded curtly.
But Biden didn’t say Thursday that people would be required to opt into his health care plan, as Castro claimed. Rather, he said, “Anyone who can’t afford it gets automatically enrolled in the Medicare-type option we have.”
Still, health care wasn’t the only issue Castro and Biden tussled over. Later, Univision anchor Jorge Ramos shifted to immigration — eventually asking the former vice president why Latinos should trust him given the high number of deportations that took place under Obama’s leadership.
Biden, in response, said it was “outrageous” to compare Obama’s and President Donald Trump’s immigration records.
“Did you make a mistake with those deportations?” Ramos asked Biden.
“I’m proud to have served with [Obama],” Biden responded, though he avoided criticizing the former president and essentially said Obama did the best he could.
When Ramos pressed the Democratic frontrunner on whether the Biden could’ve done more, he responded matter-of-factly, “I’m the Vice President of the United States.”
This, again, drew a rebuke from Castro, who accused the former vice president of selectively picking and choosing when he wants to align himself with Obama’s policies.
“He wants to take credit for Obama’s work but not have to answer any questions,” Castro said to applause from the studio audience.
“I stand with Obama all eight years — good, bad and indifferent,” Biden shot back.
Castro also had some tension with Sanders after the senator was asked why he doesn’t call Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro a dictator. Sanders called Maduro a “vicious tyrant.”
“I’ll call Maduro a dictator because he is a dictator,” Castro said.
Castro, whose poll numbers placed him near the bottom of the list of candidates on the stage Thursday night, has taken a confrontational approach in each of the three Democratic debates thus far. In the first debate in Miami, he tussled with fellow Texan Beto O’Rourke over immigration. At the second debate, Biden and Castro exchanged blows in Detroit over immigration and decriminalizing improper crossings at the U.S. border.
South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg pointed to Thursday’s exchange over health care as an example of the political squabbling that Americans are tired of, drawing blunt disagreement from Castro.
“That’s called a Democratic primary election,” Castro said. “This is what we’re here for.”
In a scrum with reporters after the debate, Biden adviser Anita Dunn said Castro “clearly didn’t learn from the first two debates that taking personal cheap shots at Vice President Biden actually doesn’t work out that well.
“I think between the cheap shot and the fact that it’s based on a lie, it’s really a problem that Secretary Castro should answer,” Dunn said.
Castro, meanwhile, insisted that his attack wasn’t ageist but that he and Biden were simply “having a disagreement about health care policy.”
“This was not a conversation about personalities,” Castro said. “This was a conversation about health care policy. And this is important because everyone is impacted by our health care policy.”
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