What Drives High Achievement At Harmony Charters?
Rebecca Hall moves frenetically around the classroom, kneeling here and there in front of desks, literally getting in students’ faces to help them. On the board she's drawn “Vonnegut’s cross,” a diagram to teach her AP English students the underpinning of narrative, and she's written a sentence meant to inspire a discussion of how dramatic structures are ripped from reality: “Does your life have a plot?”
As in most classrooms on the campus of Harmony Charter School of Advancement in North Houston, the academic action moves at striking speed and with full engagement from students. As Hall ...
Comments (170)
Tim Hurst via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Great piece. Harmony Charter Schools are a godsend to education. If we can keep rick Perry, the Texas legislature, the texas board of miseducation and the fundamentalists from screwing up a great thing.
Carolyn Harral via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Good seeing a school that likes to teach for the love of it not only the pay kids need to have good days while they do there school work that is like a job at there age
Sharon Cooper Morgan via Texas Tribune on Facebook
http://www.harmonyparent.com/charterschools/harmony-schools-are-featured-in-texas-monthly/
Yolanda Stimson
Some fact-checking on the Texas Monthly article:
http://gulencharterschools.weebly.com/harmony-schools-fact-checking.html
Most of the claims of "high achievement" are based on TAKS scores. Other measures, such as SAT scores and AP passing rates, are not nearly as impressive:
http://www.slideshare.net/CASILIPS/rapid-expansion-harmony
The reporter did not investigate many issues thoroughly. There is no mention in this article of the huge number of H1B visas that the Cosmos Foundation applies for every year, in some cases for English or English as a Second Language instructors. Also, reducing the concerns about the fact that the Harmony chain is run by followers of Fethullah Gulen to an issue of "race" (by the way, Turkish people are Caucasian) and "religion" does not serve readers well. What people are concerned about is the involvement of a specific group, the Gulen Movement, which is abusing the charter school system in many states to further its economic, political and cultural goals.
William Pack
As a nation, we need to increase the number of those high-achieving schools. Instead of chasing bogus stuff published in certain free blogs, where the quasi-authors hide their identity, I would always personally follow reliable sources such as "Texas Monthly" and "Texas Tribune". That is why I believe the authenticity of those articles and I consider Harmony Public Schools exceptionally successful. Keep up the good work folks!
Timothy Hal
We should support the good charters like HARMONY and KIPP and YES. Thanks for the fair article. www.leavechartersalone.com
Yolanda Stimson
I would caution against assuming that newspaper/magazine stories about schools are always reliable.
An article recently appeared in the Baltimore Sun on Chesapeake Science Point, a school that is part of the same network of Gulenist schools that the Harmony school chain is in. This network was described by Greg Toppo in his USA Today article in Aug 2010:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-08-17-turkishfinal17_CV_N.htm
The Baltimore Sun article, which was similarly very flattering to the school, contained two major errors. The article stated that the school had received an additional million dollars in private funding. This was false. It stated that the school received less than half the funding per pupil that traditional schools receive. This was also false. Anyone wishing to verify this may contact Anne Arundel Public Schools (government office). To the best of my knowledge, the Baltimore Sun has not issued any corrections.
So much for the assumption that paid publications are always more accurate than blogs.
Similarly, the Texas Monthly article's assertion that the Harmony schools are not focused on TAKS cannot be reconciled with the fact (verifiable on the schools' websites) that these schools have four separate sessions of Mock TAKS tests planned for the 2010-2011 year, each session lasting one week.
Finally, let us remember that every citizen's right to speak out, through blogs or other means, is a cornerstone of our democracy.
William Pack
Of course it is the rights of citizens to have an access whatever they want to. But I am fed up with seeing the same bogus blogs again and again. I would always trust more to Texas Tribune than cheap blogs. Why? People behind these blogs do not even identify their names. Secondly, when a person like you gives those links, they always do this in the same way. Taking a fake name such as "Truthseeker" or something similar to this, they copy and paste the same accusations. What kind of impression do I get after seeing those ready-made groundless accusations? I feel like a "certain" group "orders" some people to spread those blogs and they start the mass-production at once!
Just take a look at the language they use. They are like identical twins. Inflammatory things intending to put some damage on these schools. I don't see any parents complaining about those schools. Accusations come from the unknown third parties. Sorry guys, but they lack credibility. Period.
bill thacker
These schools are part of the Gulen network. I was a parent who had a child at one of these schools. In the beginning if you even mentioned who is Gulen? The was was Gulen Who? Never heard of him. Which is a blatent lie. That would be like asking American Adult who is Ted Turner. As the news articles come out and if you follow them, the comments are We know who Gulen is but we have no such affiliation, to well, some teachers may follow his teachings to now , there is no "oragnic tie" to Gulen. Which I beleive is not a lie. So we could so assume that there is some "Artificial Tie" to Gulen then. Which would also be the truth.
I just recently found out the schools also have a sister school in Mexico. How conveient. Bad enough these schools are washing money from profit to non profit entities (All Turkish Gulen Inspired) across state lines to now money going across the border.
What about the recent construction contract? Wasn't that contract given to a Turkish owned construction company? They really do enjoy keeping it in the family don't they? In short I beleive the term is called RACKETERING.
There have been many complaints by teachers and ex teachers to their state board of charter schools where adminastrators and staff (allTurkish) have helped kids to cheat there state exames. So yes the numbers can be skewed to get the four stars and awards. Not to mention money that comes from state and federal for achieving these marks. Are charter sxhools any better? for the most part it has been a recipe for laundering, embezzlement, abuse and fruad.
Brian Page
It is amazing how "the same group of people" with the "same accusations" always comments on any article that talk about the success of any Harmony School of Cosmos Foundation without wasting any time. I am a parent and I have 2 kids in Harmony Schools, so when my google alert sends me an alert informing me that there is a news article or coverage on Harmony School, I feel obliged to comment and share my positive experiences with other readers. But I truly have hard time to understand your motives! Why do you hate Harmony or other charters so much? I would understand if you commented maybe in couple days. But it seems like you guys (as a group) are on alert and whenever there is a new article you start bombarding with your "usual" comments. One ask himself, what is your agenda? OD not give me the "We want the best for the Texas kids" crap. I am a parent with Harmony and have been very happy, I believe I am entitled to make my own decisions after reading studies, news coverages, and articles by credible institutions, not some crazy blogger's web site you keep trying to advertise at every chance you get.
Brian.
Lauren Alexander
Great piece of propaganda
With continued due diligence, the "Gulen-inspired" schools' true agenda will be exposed and this ridiculous pretense of educational salvation will finally and objectively -- be made public, once and for all.
In the interim, the public will continue to be slathered with "harmonious" baloney that journalistic stories like this one mete out.
If you want the other side of the story -- the truth -- read: http://www.charterschoolwatchdog.com
Yolanda Stimson
The Texas Monthly neglected to mention to its readers that the author of its article on the Harmony schools, William Martin, had been on a Gulen-sponsored trip to Turkey:
http://www.alumniofturkey.org/testimonials.html
Note how he writes: "I think everyone in the group was greatly impressed with what they saw and will spread good things about the Gulen movement. I will be in touch with you more, but I want to thank you for setting this up."
These trips are carefully designed propaganda for the Gulen movement. This is a conflict of interest that readers should be aware of.
Bill Thacker
I would suggest for any reporter or politician to be on guard if ever approached by these turkish non profits or charter schools. We have seen the effects forst hand here in Arizona how these Turko-trips can come back to bite you. David Lujan who was running for superintendant of schools recently conceded. Tom Horne has recieved money from some Turko-Americans and has turned a blind eye to his OWN law. Banning of Ethnic Studies in Az and ignoring the No child Left Behind Act. He audits public school teachers but refuses to aufdit The Science Academies. Conflict of interest maybe???
Also the local TV stattions in return for free Turkey Trips for news reporters and Tv producers the schools get glowing reports.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UjkXQQXjqs
For the announcer to state that in Turkey relgion freedom is guarenteed is a load of cr*p. But then again football players get big money for saying I'm going Disneyland is nothing new on exchange for a few bucks and an airline ticket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApSyqk0PyNY&feature=related
When your children go on these trips they are told to remove all religious jewelry. Just as a precaution. Safety, freedom and respect? Why are pushing so hard to tell such fables?
Kavrama Prima
It isn't just here that "William Pack" has stepped in to defend the Gulen charter schools. On a wide variety of websites he's been extremely busy posting links to his new site. Two new pro-Gulen charter school websites have recently been recently created to counter the suspicions that were produced by Greg Toppo's USA Today article of August 17th. http://www.divedu.com/ and http://www.harmonyparent.com/
You'll see that "Diversity in Education" features an article that directly promotes Fethullah Gulen. The Gulenists even convinced one of their sympathizers (William Martin) to write a promotional piece. This is an operation highly skillful in self-promotion which likes to keep its activity and presence secret.
As for Robert Scott, the Texas Commissioner of Education who granted Harmony/Cosmos "blanket permission to open new schools" by sidestepping the regular process, just know that he has been courted by the local Gulenist "cultural" organization, Raindrop Turkish House. Google and you can see Mehmet Okumus (Raindrop president and former Harmony/Cosmos principal) giving him an honorary dinner and platter in April. I wonder if Scott's been given his free trip to Turkey yet? That's what the Gulenist's often provide for people they are wooing (community leaders, academics, and reporters). All across the country, where ever Gulenist organizations have planted themselves, this "generosity" is the M.O. It's a strategy to curry legitimacy and favor.
clinton barnes
Harmony is a great system that provides opportunities to kids that they would not receive from the traditional system. I see a great deal of hatefulness in these comments, but I wonder why people are so concerned about a school that provides quality education. If public schools were getting it done then there would never have been the creation of the charter system.
I have always found that we you excel at something there will always be somebody that tries to tear you down. Keep it up Harmony.
William Pack
Please take a look at the comments and you will see what I was describing above. People are accusing me of defending some people, but the very same people are doing the damage on their counterpart. Just check out any education-related website and you will see unrelated and groundless “copy-paste” accusations which definitely has a website link at the end of each and every comment. As an American engineer, since my college days, I always care for the diversity in education. That is why as the founder of Divedu, founded almost five months ago, I am dealing with any good news about diversity in education. After some research I came up with some successful charter schools such as KIPP and Harmony and schools promoting diversity always get my vote of confidence.
On the other hand, I suspect that Kavrama, Yolanda and Lauren are all either friends or the same persons! First of all, they could never answer my aforementioned questions, because they are also probably the owner of the same free websites or blogs they are publicizing. A couple of weeks ago they (or s/he) were/was using some pseudo-names such as “Truth Seeker” or “Adoption Truth”, but after I exposed their plot in a couple of websites, they start using real-like names, but interestingly in the entire America there is only one Yolanda Stimson. What is more, there is not a single person with the name Kavrama Prima. Really who are you guys? Why are you hiding your real names? What is your main purpose when attacking those schools? Are you a tiny part of a bigger plan? What is your real agenda when you are attacking those schools in any education-related website? Just forget about ridiculous excuses such as “We are caring about our kids bla bla bla.” This statement explicitly claims that we are not taking care of our kids, right? My son is not at the school age yet, but I will never waste a minute to send my son a high-profile charter school be it KIPP, Yes, Uplift or Harmony whatever. Case closed.
Bill Thacker
Oh God William give it up already.
You come out and post how good the schools really are. Then when when presented with facts you argue it and down play the other side. Then you sink down into name calling and personal attacks. How about becoming a grammar nazi to prove you're intelligent and command of the English language. We're so impressed. Why would anyone give you what you ask for? For only the sole purpose to embarrass and humiliate the opposing argument. If that doesn't work you may or may want to sink onto the platform of cryptic threats. You want to stalk them? Sounds as if you are already Googling names and sluthing the internet.
No one is going to use there real name and give it you. Why should they? If you did have it what would you propose to do with it? Have you thought maybe they don't use there real names because of retaliation from the schools? I myself had been threatened by these clowns and I will be here until these schools are exposed for the big phonies they really are. Upfront they may appear to actually care about students and family, but in reality they don't. They don't even care about there teachers and in many cases a lot of these schools treat them like dirt including there own Turkish teachers. Is it fair for teachers to go months with out pay so they can use that money shuffled from payroll to open another school? We know if they speak up they are threatened with being sent home back to Turkyae.
I already have done a pretty good job of bringing media attention to this matter. Do you suppose you and your schools could handle the same? These schools are affiliated with Gulen and is in my opinion an Islamic Cult. A faction of Islam in which those so called scholors who opened these schools are using tax payer funds and donations from parents for the Hizmet.
Re: Sonoran Science Academy
Dear Mr. Thacker
As you are aware, this firm represents Daisy Education Corporation dba
Sonoran Science Academy (“SSA”). SSA has been aware for several months
that you are posting defamatory, insulting and inflammatory comments
about SSA on craigslist. These posts are resulting in a significant
disruption of the SSA community. Furthermore SSA may be suffering
potential financial damages as a result of the false statements you are
circulating in the online community.
SSA responded numerous times to your complaints and concerns, responded
to the Arizona State Board of Charter Schools and has allowed you to
continue making defamatory comments on the internet for several months.
Now it must stop.
If you do not immediately cease posting SSA will pursue litigation against you, including an injunction to prohibit further publication of defamatory statements and a lawsuit for damages. SSA has been tracking and collecting evidence of your defamatory
statements. Including copies of your posts on craigslist and will
utilize this evidence in a lawsuit against you if necessary.
Very Truly Yours,
Heather K. Gaines
Dear Ms. Gaines,
Thank you for your letter dated June 29. I have reviewed it and would
make these points.
1. The “slap suit” is not a new idea but seems like a radical step for
a charter school. That school to sue a parent who had a poor experience
at Sonoran Science would appear to have a chilling effect on the
aforementioned school’s ability to attract new students. Is it truly in
the best interest of your client to have such a reputation?
2. For a school filing a slap suit on a working-class single dad would
be such a novelty that it would risk lending media credibility and a
much larger platform for me to make my case. That charges would be
hashed and rehashed and whatever harm done on Craig’s List would be
magnified. And, as you are aware, gaining prior restraint against the
media is an extremely high bar.
3. I sold plasma to buy my daughter lunch and Sonoran Science staff
threw it away, refusing to give it to her. That’s pretty compelling.
4. Should you pursue legal action, your firm would make money off
billable hours but every dime spent on pursuing a father struggling
through the current economic challenges is a dime not spent teaching
children. Is this the proper role of state and donation money that is
supposed to be spent on children?
5. How much are you willing to turn over during discovery? You are
claiming that I am wrong in my assertions against Sonoran Science. I
would then have the right to prove I’m not wrong. I’m not a lawyer
(public school advocates may take an interest but let’s assume they
don’t) and you can beat me back. But that’s more scut work for you,
more money coming out of class rooms and more risk of media attention.
6. All I want is an apology for: a) Not informing me of an
investigation concerning my daughter’s accusation that a teacher had
acted sexually inappropriately toward her; b) Forcing me no end of
headache when both myself and doctors repeatedly provided records of
immunization records Sonoran Science never seemed to get as they
threatened to keep my daughter from class. Felt like harassment; and c)
Throwing away a sandwich I bought with, literally, blood money. D) When
informing the principal of the school he ignored my concerns and
threatened me with a lawsuit. An apology, one for me and one to my
daughter.
I find it bizarre that you would threaten me with legal action for
criticizing a public institution on a Web Site not typically covered by
libel rules. I currently earn $12 an hour. I rent. I even rent my
furniture. I have a car payment. I am a student. I send money to my
ex-wife for my daughter. How much cash do you think you can get from
me? Moreover, how many parents will send their children to a school
that sues unhappy “customers”? They are a business.
Food for thought.
Regards,
Bill M. Thacker
As for myself I really don't care. Go ahead and threaten me. As I said before, If I am so bad for business then why not follow through with such threats? It is common practice for Guleneers (and I could provide statements) to make threats, harass,intimidation, blackmail and or extort those who challenge or criticize them.
Bill Thacker
These are a few of the lawsuits presented to these schools that happened to land in court systems. Think of how that did not get there or the victims were just paid with (just like there HB-1 Visas ) our own tax dollars.
CMSA of Chicago had to become Unionised in order to get safety for students and staff.
Sonoran Science Academy on Davis Monthin AFB operated over a year with out a first aid kit in there office. It had to take one kid getting seriously injured before they got one.
A child in Texas Harmoney Science Academy was ridiculed and Harrassed for wearing a Christain Cross to school. They refused to speak with the child's mother.
Dove Science Academy a child was raped on campus they paid out a measly sum and make the parents sign a disclosure to never speak of it again. They just changed the schools name in order toprotect there reputation and phoney image as a good school.
I could on........
http://gulencharterschools.weebly.com/lawsuits-against-gulen-charters.html
Behymer-Smith v. Coral Academy of Science et al
Filed: April 11, 2006 as 3:2006cv00206
Cause Of Action: Civil Rights Act
Court: Ninth Circuit > Nevada > District Court
Type: Civil Rights > Civil Rights: Other
Brief description of cause: First Amendment, student case
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Catalusci v. Horizon Science Academy-Denison Middle School, Inc.
Filed: October 29, 2008 as 1:2008cv02562
Plaintiff: Gloria Catalusci
Defendant: Horizon Science Academy-Denison Middle School, Inc.
Cause Of Action: Federal Question
Court: Sixth Circuit > Ohio > Northern District Court
Type: Civil Rights > Defendant
Couch v. Harmony Science Academy
Filed: December 28, 2007 as 2:2007cv01314
Plaintiff: Brenda A. Couch
Defendants: Cosmos Foundation, Inc., Faith Ay and Harmony Science Academy-El Paso
Cause Of Action: Job Discrimination (Employment)
Court: Tenth Circuit > New Mexico > District Court
Type: Civil Rights > Civil Rights: Jobs
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Fritz v. Dove Science Academy Foundation - Tulsa, Inc.
Filed: October 21, 2009 as 4:2009cv00679
Plaintiff: Gail Fritz
Defendant: Dove Science Academy Foundation - Tulsa, Inc
Cause Of Action: Federal Question: Other Civil Rights
Court: Tenth Circuit > Oklahoma > Northern District Court
Type: Civil Rights > Plaintiff
Brief description of cause: gender discrimination in education (hostile environment and sexual harassment)
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Gehrlein vs. Horizon Science Academy-Denison Middle School, Inc.
Filed: June 30, 2008 as 1:2008cv01581
Plaintiff: Ron Gehrlein
Defendant: Horizon Science Academy-Denison Middle School, Inc.
Cause Of Action: Federal Question
Court: Sixth Circuit > Ohio > Northern District Court
Type: Civil Rights > Both
Ron Gehrlein v. Horizon Science Academy-Denison
Filed: December 17, 2009 as 09-4523
Plaintiff: Ron Gehrlein
Defendant: Horizon Science Academy - Denison Middle School, Inc.
Court: Sixth Circuit > Circuit Court
Type: Civil Rights > Civil Rights: Jobs
Brief description of cause: federal age discrimination claim
Note: some pages of a deposition in connection with Ron Gehrlein's case can be found at this page on the Charter School Watchdog site.
Hamilton v. Truebright Science Academy Charter School, et al
Filed: May 15, 2009 as 2:2009cv02148
Plaintiffs: Anita Sims and Zebedee Hamilton
Defendants: Joshua Croll and Truebright Science Academy Charter School
Court: Third Circuit > Pennsylvania > Eastern District Court
Type: Civil Rights > Plaintiff
Cause of Action: Federal Question: Other Civil Rights
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Solk et al v. Buffalo Academy of Science
Filed: April 3, 2008 as 2:2008cv01653
Plaintiffs: H. Raymond Solk and Montgomery Mortgage Capital
Defendant: Buffalo Academy of Science
Cause Of Action: Diversity
Court: Third Circuit > New Jersey > District Court
Type: Contract > None
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William Pack
Looks like "big brothers" are heating up the discussion. :) Unfortunately I do not personally have much time to respond all those attacks. Besides, I am not the advocate of any Harmony school or any other charter, public or private school. What I understand from all the things you have written Mr. Thacker, you have plenty of time to defame or denigrate people albeit being a student. That means either somebody pays you a good sum of money, or you are excessively caring about our country’s future. Gosh, my eyes get watery! Let me summarize your story in a few points:
1) If no one is going to use real name and give it to “me”, then why did you use your real name on Craigslist when dealing with the Sonoran people? That is hilarious. How were they able to keep track of you?
2) What the heck is Sonoran by the way? I never heard their name before and you took up all the space here to tell us your correspondence with the officials of this school. I don’t care about your correspondence with this school. Nobody does, either.
3) Why are you answering to me? Yolanda should be answering my claims. Let me tell you why. You are the very same person with Yolanda or whoever else. You don’t even “seem” to know how to write Turkey, which greatly adds to your enigma and charisma. What is more, you take turns to write me. Why? Because you cannot think at the same time? Sorry I forgot the hard fact that you were the same persons.
4) I don’t have any schools. Don’t try to establish any connection between me and those schools by implicitly mentioning my name when accusing the schools. What is hizmet by the way? Just tell me the terms I know. I think you are Arab or Turk who uses Arabic or Turkish-sound terms and show off. OK, I am too ignorant to know these mysterious terms. I give up…
5) I didn’t even read your letter fully because that would be redundant for me and for other readers. If Sonoran or whatever school did something wrong, I am not their advocate and this is their problem. This piece of news article is about Harmony schools and you are trying to put some mud on them by singling out one incident which could occur at any time at any school. I believe you even didn’t read this article. If you had done so, you would have seen the statement of a high schooler who was talking about the messed-up public school system with full of pregnant girls.
6) Sometimes I keep forgetting the fact that you guys are smarter than the people in TEA. (It is not your Tea Party but Texas Education Agency), because people in TEA allows these Harmony guys to open more schools and they don’t see the imminent danger sleeping next to them :)
7) Like I said you are the part of a similar bigger organization who messes up everywhere on the cyberspace with your free websites and third-class blogs. Here is the secret formula about you guys: Write a couple of paragraphs, then put you first.. opps sorry third-class link at the end of the article. Bingo!
8) OK, you talked too much Mr. Thacker. It is Lauren’s turn. Let her talk a little bit. And then comes Yolanda and Kavrama, which actually don’t exist in real life.
9) Sorry, I may not answer all of you, because I have my other things to do. I am not paid by “big brothers” who keep asking you to spread this bogus stuff. But to be honest, you deserve your salary, since you really messed up cyberspace. Kudos to you!
PS: Don’t forget to add your wonderful websites at the end of your copy-paste accusations. Bye!
Bill Thacker
Well hopefully then I hope a struck a nerve or least a curiosity. Sonoran Science, Coral, Dove, Lisa, Horizon Science Academy are all part of the greater network of Gulen Charter Schools. They are all loosely affiliated and connected. That is the tip of the iceberg. I would encourage anyone to do more research into this matter. Just because a website does hold an official seal of approval does not make untrue. If it would make you feel any better I could join the BBB (Better Business Beurau) for a hundreds bucks and use there logo on my website too. If I was getting paid for this (or anyone else for that matter) it might be considered.
So do you think we really get paid for this? By whom? Please let me know so that if I could turn this into a full time job I would really love to have all this and a paycheck to.
Harmony is not so unique as they would have you believe. Just I was fooled with my school when I asked how this all got started. The answer given was to have me believe they were unique and the only one like it. How shocking to find out there is over 140 of these charter schools with Gulen behind them all the way. Judging from your resonces you have been fed the same.
All these Gulen supporters and inter-faith dialog committees state that he is a saint and like Gandhi. Well then we would ask to ask ourselves then why are they so ashamed to speak there masters name? Why be embarrassed to admit. If he is all about peace, love and tolerance then why not embrace ot and come out of the closet so to speak.
I would even have to question your real stance on this issue. what are really fishing for?
It would be safe to say that you do support the schools (probably an employee) and is very paranoid of the idea that more than person could actually have an opinion about you and these schools.
So in short, I am only one person. I am not Turkic nor Arabic. (Even though back in Turkey the majority despises Gulen) This includes the Arabs and most of the Muslim world. Gulen stands alone in his agenda even though it could benefit them as a whole. Financially just himself. Which does go against Islamic belief. He is an abomination.
Get back to me when you have had the time to do more research into this matter. AND if you can get me the person or persons who can get me a paycheck for this MMMkay?
lastly as I predicted in my previous post you did morph into a Grammer Nazi to enfisize your post. Now we redy for personal attacks and threats. So cliche'
William Pack
I was about to leave the office and my sixth sense told me to take a look at this page if there is any answer to my last piece and bingo! Our usual suspect was over there. Now listen up pal before I go home:
1) Why do you evaluate everything in terms of “attacking”? You guys are too paranoid! I am just airing your dirty laundry in public! So far what I have seen is that you put a lot of dirt in cyberworld and I am just telling everyone that this is an organized effort. As for threats? What in the world did I threat any of you? You are really funny, folks.
2) Why would a person spread a website that is not his or hers? Divedu is my website and even I didn’t publicize my own website as much as you. This is the difference between you and me my friend. I advertise my own website and you advertise somebody else’s junk websites. Wait a minute. Eureka! How come I forgot the very same hard fact!! Those are your websites and that is why you are so zealously spreading those second-quality websites all over the internet.
3) I still have a hard time in understanding your motives to defame charter schools. Just tell me what will happen in the end? Are you gonna be awarded? Are we all gonna be “illuminated”? Let’s accept for a second that you are “totally” right, which is not, in your claims. So what? Is there a criminal case here?
4) I haven’t received any single response to my claims. I am not a hacker. How can I prove you something that could solely be proven by a hacker? I can just google the names on the internet and this can be done even by a fifth grader. You see such a simple act as intelligence or espionage? Come on my friend, you read too much crime fiction.
5) Again I am not as knowledgeable as you in terms of “some networks” of schools. If they are dangerous then ask your employers to tell CIA, FBI whatever to take necessary precautions.
6) I wish you could spell the word “grammar” correct. It is not “grammer”, it is “grammar” my friend. By the way, what is this sentence all about can somebody tell me: “…did morph into a Grammer Nazi to enfisize your post…” Enfisize? When you misspell like this, you become more of an American than me, huh? Shame for a student like you.
7) You are not Arabic or “Turkic” (A new word is coined? So far I have only heard about “Turkish”. Let me look up in the dictionary…), but you know all the public opinion in Turkey and Arab world about Gulen. Wow. That really impressed me. That means your major is Middle East or something like this. Or you are getting some rare-known info from your employers.
8) I am not gonna make any research on the basis of bogus stuff. I am defending charter schools and diversity in education. You are just defaming “most probably” innocent people. I am constructing and you are destroying. It takes me a couple of years to build a home, but only a couple of seconds you to destroy my home with the help of a bomb. That is the difference between you and me. A maker and a destroyer...
Bill Thacker
William yu seem to be really upset at something. I have never once on my postings said that I was a student. As engineer I am shocked that you that couldn't pay attention to detail. Maybe you missed your calling as an English teacher. You do seem to have an eye for grammar. Which by the way correcting others on comment sections of newspaper blog only makes one appear pretentious and petty. It really doesn't really impress anyone at all. If anything it kinda makes you like an ass.
As far as somebody who is obviously outraged that we would promote other websites in order to prove a point you yourself seemed to have gone out of your promote your "own" website. What did you call it again. Divedu? Which is like the pot calling the kettle black. Being a good sport I will use this another free plug for you. (Divedu.com so that makes a total five plugs, free no charge from me to you)
As far as the website go, for example the Weeblygulen site and the charterschoolscandels.com and charterschoolwatchdog.com I appluad them! As you can see a lot of time energry research and hard hitting evidence as gone into each of these sites. Actual facts and data has been collected and put together. Your blog is nothing more than a "cut and paste" of news articles and semi-coherent opinions.
I am not saying that all charter schools are bad. Niether is diversity when we all pull togther for the same goal. However Harmony and these Gulen charter schools have something else in mind. It is not for the greater good but for their own selfish agenda. The information is out there. These websites give parents and business to make a more informed decision as to weather or not they should send children to these schools. It allows a business to make a better decision before donating. It only tlls the other half of the story that they are not telling and what that money is really going for.
Kavrama Prima
Readers: Favicons are the images installed by a web designer next to the page's title on the tab. Here’s something fun to do: press "ctrl + T" to create six new tabs on your browser's bar, then for each one do a search for the following:
1. Bay Area Cultural Connections (CA)
2. Star International Primary and High School (Cape Town, South Africa)
3. Rochester Academy Charter School (NY)
4. Beehive Science & Technology Academy (UT)
5. Apple Educational Services (NJ)
6. Raindrop Turkish House – Austin (TX)
In Texas and Oklahoma, the Raindrop Turkish House is the Gulen Movement's "cultural" organization that hosts the Turkish Language Olympiad. This is a regional and annual event which is attended by the Harmony charter school students who are being programmed to embrace Turkey as if it is their own. Raindrop is also the organization that facilitates the free (and Gulenist-hosted) trips to Turkey for your local politicians, religious leaders, academics, and reporters. These people in our communities are close to our power sources, so it's very important to the GM to get these people on the pro-Gulen train. Joshua Hendrick's 2009 PhD thesis explains how it works.
At any rate, you'll notice that the favicons for each of these supposedly-unrelated organizations are identical (a brightly colored image of two intersecting ellipses). This is because the web designer for each of these Gulenist organizations is the same. Perhaps it is someone at Helix Design & Production, a company which brings in its workers on H1B visas in order to serve its clientele of Gulenist organizations. http://www.helixproduction.com/company.php#clients
All of this is more evidence, that despite ongoing denials, the Gulen Movement network is deeply interconnected. Its true calling is something other than simply teaching science and math to American kids.
Be sure to take a screen shot if you want to save this favicon oddity, because now that the Gulenists know that yet another link has been exposed, they'll probably change this image and be more careful from now on.
William Pack
Actually I am not upset about something, but looks like you are “distressed” about what I have written since it propelled you to respond to me in the middle of the night. Maybe you couldn’t sleep enough and decided to write something. Let’s go ahead with the numbers again:
1) Mr. Thacker is the one who is confused about me, because he is making oscillations between an engineer and an English teacher. You don’t have to be an English teacher to be meticulous about grammar. Besides I can also make a grammar mistake just like any other fellow American. Quite a confusion I saw here…
2) I am still awaiting answer to my questions and nobody has answered yet. Let me repeat the burning question one more time: WHO ARE THE MAKERS OF THOSE SECOND-QUALITY JUNK WEBSITES AND BLOGS? IF YOU ARE ADVERTISING THOSE BOGUS STUFF, THEN YOU KNOW WHO ARE THE ARCHITECTS? IS IT YOU?
3) WHY DO THOSE UNKNOWN PEOPLE (maybe I should call them unsung heroes, right?) SPEND “A LOT OF” ENERGY ON THESE WEBSITES? To protect our children from the bad guys? WHY DO THEY HIDE THEIR IDs? BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT TO BE EXPOSED AND MAYBE PAY SOME MONEY IN CASE OF ANY LAWSUIT, right?
4) YOU SEEM TO BE RUNNING OUT OF ANSWERS WHEN I ASK THOSE BURNING QUESTIONS AGAIN AND AGAIN. Who are you? You and other people (if any) with the same mindset really spend a great deal of effort to defame people in cyberspace. I can only applaud you zealousness to do that, not the bogus stuff you spread there.
5) I already looked at the websites you advertise a couple of weeks ago and I couldn’t help but laugh at some ridiculous claims even though I have no idea about other claims. For example, Bill Gates is shown wearing Arab clothes implying that either he is a Muslim or he is helping the Muslims to establish radical Islam! Actually I am not surprised to see such stupid news, because in this country unfortunately there are some people who believe that Obama is also Muslim. That is why there are always buyers for the bogus stuff you publish in your second-quality junk websites.
6) One more news: They talk about Harmony Schools and in the news there is a picture of a school where the teacher and students wear headscarves. Until I read Texas Tribune article, nothing had clicked in me. But when I read the article and saw the pictures of Harmony School students, I realized that the picture belongs to Tarik bin Ziyad Academy in Minnesota which is an Islamic school. So, any ignorant person like “me”, didn’t have any chance to know if the picture really belonged to Harmony Schools or not. But Harmony school students are like any the ones in any public schools. Besides, their female teacher is an American lady who had PhD in English. It is quite the opposite of the picture those junk websites give. THIS IS ALSO CONTRARY TO THE ETHICS OF JOURNALISM, because you cannot talk about A and show the picture of B in your news or article.
7) You even didn’t read this “Texas Tribune” article, did you? What they are talking about in this article is 180 degree opposite of your nonsense. You accuse the author of Texas Monthly article. Who is next? THE AUTHOR OF TEXAS TRIBUNE ARTICLE? Hey Brian THEVENOT. Be careful, you are gonna be accused of something like being Gulenist in the very near future.
8) Yolanda and Kavrama still haven’t answered my claims. Instead another person (maybe the same person) tried to answer me. I really wonder who you are.
9) I still claim that a person named Kavrama doesn’t exist. They are all the same. I WISH TEXAS Tribune IT guys OR WEBMASTERS COULD FIND OUT THE IPs OF YOLANDA, KAVRAMA, LAUREN AND BILL THACKER. They are basically the same people. If they don’t bother to find it out, I will kindly request a couple of my IT friends to find out the IPs of those fake names. I am kidding. OK, stop crying guys. I will probably do nothing, because you will again say, “he is threatening us.” :)
10) As for Kavrama… Opps sorry, Bill Thacker… Basically you are the same people… But maybe you are right in your latest claims, which is always possible even if it is 1 %. I am neither Gulenist nor have any connection with the institutions you mentioned... Go ahead and file a lawsuit or talk to the state officials, because I don’t wanna live with the danger (!) residing next to me.
11) Latest update about Kavrama: I asked my Indian engineer friend if Kavrama means something in Indian language and he couldn’t recognize. Maybe his is not very fluent in Indian, because this name came to me like an Indian name: Kavrama Prima.. I googled Kavrama if it is an Arabic word… No avail… And then I checked if it is a Turkish word. Bingo!!! In a dictionary it says “comprehension” and “insight” about Kavrama. That strengthens my doubts. Kavrama is a Turkish name (I don’t know if it is male or female name) and it is used again by Bill and co. Remember Bill is very knowledgeable about Turks and Arabs. He knows the public opinion very well. I guess you are Turk and you don’t like Gulen or Gulenist people in Turkey. That is why you are founding those websites and spreading the news around you. Now some things are starting to click in me… But how could I know? Sorry for being ignorant for such a long time :(
12) AGAIN… You just keep spreading the same claims instead of my questions I asked so many times. Please don’t bother to respond to me, because it is gonna be a waste of time. I know what you are gonna write. “There is a deep connection between Gulen and schools. They are very dangerous. They are infiltrating.” OK, OK… so much pep talk.
13) What I am gonna do is from now on, I will copy and paste my “burning questions” each time you post the same old claims. Because you don’t have the capacity and capability to satisfactorily answer my questions. No more of waste of time…
You have the mentality of old Maoists in China. Just concentrating on what they say instead of paying attention to others’ questions… Period.
Bill Thacker
I think the problem that you are having here is that you may not have enough information.
F. Gulen fled his homeland like a common criminal to avoid persecution. Just recently from the comfort of his compound in Pennsylvania, he has told his followers how to vote on a certain issues that could upset the balance power in Turkey. Read this article but remeber it was written in Today's Zaman. Gulens own paper so it may be a little biased. Also notice the add for yet another promotion for the Turkish Olympiads. Stunning, since all these schools claim no affiliation.
http://www.fethullah-gulen.org/news/vote-yes.html
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=bahceli-slams-fethullah-gulen-2010-08-02
He tells his people that no matter where they are on the Earth to go home and vote. If he feels that it is such an important issue then why didn't he fly home and walk up to the ballet box? His claim for being here in the USA is for health reasons. He really isn't lying when he states this. For it is very unhealthy for any man to return to a place where a rope around the neck exactly would not be the best health choice. . Is this really the kind of person you want to hold an allegiance with? To do business wih? Your school and your children? Is this what is taught in Turkish Charictor class for elementry kids? The pattern I see here is do one thing and say another. There is NO accountabilty with these schools.
The problem William has anyone posting links or citing from websites is because it provides back up for our claims. He has no back up or proof as to why we should keep giving and sending our kids there. Everyday your child is at one of these schools is another dollar for Gulen and their agenda.
Jay Scott via Texas Tribune on Facebook
It is a great article, forget about some of the comments. Why would Texas Tribune and Texas Monthly would cover Harmon Success if their agendas and ties were so obvious. There is only one thing left to say to haters: "Get a life"
Nicolas Ocampo
I am a social studies teacher at a Harmony School. I want to make it clear that this school is so much more than just a TAKS school. Sucess here is based on many qualities and the students are pushed to not only meet state expectations, but to blow them away. This is a school geared for preparing students for college, and that is exactly what it does. In a time where their are so many concerns regarding the public school sytem, it is refreshing to be a part of a group where the minimum is simply not enough.
Brian Page
Wow! I did not check this page for one day and look at how many messages we have! Hey you guys stop arguing and keep your messages brief! I do not have that much time to read all these long comments!
Kavrama, when I read your last message (the beginning part was quite interesting and I said myself, finally somebody is offering some real solid evidence that all these organizations are related!.(not a big relation but at least having same web developer is better than nothing). But when I read the following part in your message, I got really disappointed!:
At any rate, you'll notice that the favicons for each of these supposedly-unrelated organizations are identical (a brightly colored image of two intersecting ellipses).
I AM SORRY TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS FAVICON IS THE ICON (AND THE LOGO) OF FAMOUS JOOMLA - THE MOST POPULAR CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WHICH IS A EASY WAY TO DEVELOP WEB PAGES..
Visit http://www.joomla.org/about-joomla.html and you will understand!. As you can guess, this web site also has the same favicon. Here is a part from that page:
Who uses Joomla?
Here are just a few examples of Web sites that use Joomla:
(I ignored the web adresses just google it, or look at the page above)
* MTV Networks Quizilla (Social networking)
* IHOP (Restaurant chain)
* Harvard University (Educational)
* Citibank (Financial institution intranet) - Not publicly accessible
* The Green Maven (Eco-resources)
* Outdoor Photographer (Magazine)
* PlayShakespeare.com (Cultural)
* Senso Interiors (Furniture design)
Anyway, I am sorry for you but this is the truth. I also got excited like you but please check your facts before you make such big accusations next time. Finally to all other accusers, I hope the evidence to your claims (if you have any) are not this weak and baseless.
This message also disproves William Pack's assumptions that you get paid! Nobody would pay for such a lousy work. And please William, keep your messages short; I can not read long messages.
Bantam T.
Thanks for filling things in, Brian. I've not written here before but I've been reading evrything. I don't know much about it but may be the web people for some of the Gulen places Kavrama talked about might just like to use Joomla. Have you looked at some of those websites? Tehy look suspicious to me because the schools are so similar and there is an awful lot of Turkish stuff in common, even in So. Africa!!! Strange.
I think these people who are writing the comments about the Gulen businesshere might be on to somehting weird. Just my opinion...
Yolanda Stimson
@Bantam T. You might be interested in exploring this list of international Gulen schools:
http://turkishinvitations.weebly.com/every-continent-but-antarctica.html
The international students at the ISWEEEP science fair in Houston, run by the Cosmos Foundation (which also runs Harmony charter schools) are all or nearly all from these schools:
Students from Galaxy International School in Ghana (principal: Yusuf Coskun) win at ISWEEEP:
http://www.galaxyschool.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56:international-competition&catid=1:profile-of-galaxy&Itemid=2
Student from Zaman International School in Cambodia (founded by Atilla Yusuf Guleker) wins at ISWEEEP:
http://khmer.be/forum/ShowPost.aspx?tid=194
and the list goes on and on...
Turkish Olympiads participants are also all from these schools or from Gulen charter schools in the US.
William Pack
(I will be very brief this time, I promise)
The problem with Yolanda, Kavrama, Thacker and co. is that they disregard my questions I am posing to them (or him/her) again and again. This shows:
1) Either they are DISRESPECTFUL.
2) Or they are TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING by ignoring my questions and repeating their groundless accusations.
In any case, this is something unacceptable.
Heather Smith
I'm a Language Arts teacher at Harmony Science Academy, and I'm proud to work for this school. We have parents, students, teachers, and administrators who work as a team to help students meet their goals. We're focused on teaching, learning, and improving. Every adult in our school wants the best for our students. Mr. Ocampo and the articles were right that we're not just a TAKS school; we help prepare students for that test, bur our instruction hardly stops there. We strive to make our classes as rigorous and as supportive as we can. Perhaps our school isn't a blanket cure-all for the problems with American education, but it's a very good place kids who need more opportunities for enrichment and exploration and more chances to work cooperatively with their peers and teachers.
Billy Moore
I am a Social Studies teacher along with Ms. Smith and Mr. Ocampo at Harmony in Waco. I have been involved in Education for over 14 years. I have taught social studies for 10 of those years to grades seven through twelve. I feel that Harmony Waco provides a wonderful alternativeto a broken public school system. We are not here to "teach the test." We are here to provide a safe, positive atmosphere where children can come and learn.
As far the poster commented about low scores other than TAKS, well not all students that are taught will be college material. That makes the job of schools like Harmony that much more important. We need to equip these young adults with the tools that they need to be able to contribute to society upon graduation. That is one of my personal goals as a classroom teacher. To try and reach the student on a personal level and help them achieve the greatest that is inside of them. This will translate into all that they do, wheter it be TAKS, SAT, College or a job.
Claudia Kongamnach
I have been working with the Harmony system for the past five years. I love my job and the people that I have worked with. I can assure that our schools do the best for our students. We have teachers from all over the world; representing a variety of races, religions, and beliefs. It is sad to know that uninformed people will believe a blog which has no validity as a credible source of information. Students and staff of H.S.A represent such a unique mixture of cultures. We can coexist and appreciate each other’s views without enforcing, persuading or belittling these views.
William Pack
Other than not answering my "burning" questions, those same guys have also labeled my website on their junk website as a "Gulenist" website, which is something ridiculous. They don't have the "guts" to tell me anything or answering my questions. So, they just cowardly defame people who don't agree with them.
Anyway folks, follow what the Harmony teachers or officials say here, not the groundless and nonsense accusations.
Sophie Cadger
It's great to read that there are teachers working for the guys that actually love their jobs. After all that is what teaching is supposed to be about, being passionate about education and children.
What it is not supposed to be about -- is ripping off the taxpayers, committing numerous crimes (immigration fraud, money laundering, misappropriation of funds, etc), and discriminating against and violating the rights of -- American teachers and administrators.
For every "harmonious" endorsement from the "Gulen-inspired" school teachers, we get many more emails from teachers and parents who are extremely unhappy with what is going on in their respective "Gulen-inspired" schools.
As one of the authors of Charter School Watchdog, I can assure you that our website does not publish any information that cannot be verified and/or documented. The information posted is true, it is accurate, and credible. If it were not true, we would have been sued a long time ago. Clearly, the skeptics do not want the truth -- or as it was once said -- "Cannot handle the truth."
And for the record, our website does not receive any form of payment or revenue, and will continue to publish until such time we feel confident that the schools are in compliance with all federal and state laws governing equal opportunities, education, and immigration, and homeland security related issues.
We believe that the public has a right to know what they are paying for, especially when it comes to the safety and welfare of their children.
What this blog should be about it what is going on behind the scenes at these schools, and what we can do as American citizens to ensure that our children are getting the best possible education that our tax dollars are paying for.
William Pack
I'm 100 % sure that Sophie Cadger and Thacker and Kavrama and co. are the same people. This is what I came to realize today. How?
I did not write anything here for a week. This morning I decided to add something and of course as soon as I added something, Sophie (Thacker, Kavrama whatver...) received an e-mail indicating that "someone commented on Texas Tribune bla bla bla)". So, they found another "pseudonym" and wrote the same old claims. To be consistent with I said last week I am repeating the questions until I got their answer.
1) Mr. Thacker (or Sophie) WHO ARE THE MAKERS OF THOSE SECOND-QUALITY JUNK WEBSITES AND BLOGS? IF YOU ARE ADVERTISING THOSE BOGUS STUFF, THEN YOU KNOW WHO ARE THE ARCHITECTS? IS IT YOU?
2) Nobody can sue you, because nobody can reach to your ID!! YOU HIDE EVERYTHING.
3) WHY DO THOSE UNKNOWN PEOPLE (maybe I should call them unsung heroes, right?) SPEND “A LOT OF” ENERGY ON THESE WEBSITES? To protect our children from the bad guys? WHY DO THEY HIDE THEIR IDs? BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT TO BE EXPOSED AND MAYBE PAY SOME MONEY IN CASE OF ANY LAWSUIT, right?
4) YOU SEEM TO BE RUNNING OUT OF ANSWERS WHEN I ASK THOSE BURNING QUESTIONS AGAIN AND AGAIN. Who are you? You and other people (if any) with the same mindset really spend a great deal of effort to defame people in cyberspace. I can only applaud you zealousness to do that, not the bogus stuff you spread there.
5) I already looked at the websites you advertise a couple of weeks ago and I couldn’t help but laugh at some ridiculous claims even though I have no idea about other claims. For example, Bill Gates is shown wearing Arab clothes implying that either he is a Muslim or he is helping the Muslims to establish radical Islam! IS THIS WHAT YOU CALL "CREDIBLE"?
6) One more news: They talk about Harmony Schools and in the news there is a picture of a school where the teacher and students wear headscarves. Until I read Texas Tribune article, nothing had clicked in me. But when I read the article and saw the pictures of Harmony School students, I realized that the picture belongs to Tarik bin Ziyad Academy in Minnesota which is an Islamic school. So, any ignorant person like “me”, didn’t have any chance to know if the picture really belonged to Harmony Schools or not. But Harmony school students are like any the ones in any public schools. Besides, their female teacher is an American lady who had PhD in English. It is quite the opposite of the picture those junk websites give. THIS IS ALSO CONTRARY TO THE ETHICS OF JOURNALISM, because you cannot talk about A and show the picture of B in your news or article.
7) You even didn’t read this “Texas Tribune” article, did you? What they are talking about in this article is 180 degree opposite of your nonsense. You accuse the author of Texas Monthly article. Who is next? THE AUTHOR OF TEXAS TRIBUNE ARTICLE? Hey Brian THEVENOT. Be careful, you are gonna be accused of something like being Gulenist in the very near future.
8) Yolanda and Kavrama still haven’t answered my claims. Instead another person (maybe the same person) tried to answer me. I really wonder who you are.
9) I still claim that a person named Kavrama doesn’t exist. They are all the same. I WISH TEXAS Tribune IT guys OR WEBMASTERS COULD FIND OUT THE IPs OF YOLANDA, KAVRAMA, LAUREN AND BILL THACKER. They are basically the same people. If they don’t bother to find it out, I will kindly request a couple of my IT friends to find out the IPs of those fake names. I am kidding. OK, stop crying guys. I will probably do nothing, because you will again say, “he is threatening us.” :)
10) OK, nobody sued you so far. WHY DON'T YOU GO AND SUE THOSE PEOPLE IF THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING BAD?
11) Latest update about Kavrama: I asked my Indian engineer friend if Kavrama means something in Indian language and he couldn’t recognize. Maybe his is not very fluent in Indian, because this name came to me like an Indian name: Kavrama Prima.. I googled Kavrama if it is an Arabic word… No avail… And then I checked if it is a Turkish word. Bingo!!! In a dictionary it says “comprehension” and “insight” about Kavrama. That strengthens my doubts. Kavrama is a Turkish name (I don’t know if it is male or female name) and it is used again by Bill and co. Remember Bill is very knowledgeable about Turks and Arabs. He knows the public opinion very well. I guess you are Turk and you don’t like Gulen or Gulenist people in Turkey. That is why you are founding those websites and spreading the news around you. Now some things are starting to click in me… But how could I know? Sorry for being ignorant for such a long time :(
12) AGAIN… You just keep spreading the same claims instead of my questions I asked so many times. Please don’t bother to respond to me, because it is gonna be a waste of time. I know what you are gonna write. “There is a deep connection between Gulen and schools. They are very dangerous. They are infiltrating.” OK, OK… so much pep talk.
13) What I am gonna do is from now on, I will copy and paste my “burning questions” each time you post the same old claims. Because you don’t have the capacity and capability to satisfactorily answer my questions. No more of waste of time…
You have the mentality of old Maoists in China. Just concentrating on what they say instead of paying attention to others’ questions… Period.
Bantam T.
The Republic of Turkey was established as a secular state and has taken pride in that fact. Unfortunately, for those of us who believe that governments should be secular, a profound shift has been occurring in Turkey which is directly connected with the rise of the religious Gulen Movement. Members of the GM have been infiltrating high levels of government, commerce, and education, and as a result, Turkey’s secularism is in grave danger.
And yes, the Gulen Movement is also operating in the U.S., and, yes they are in control of at least 120 charter schools.
Read this Special Report (18 pages) from STRATFOR Global Intelligence: “Islam, Secularism and the Battle for Turkey’s Future” @ http://www.brighteningglance.org/on-turkey.html
The report mentions the GM's U.S. charter schools on page 7 in the section "Gulenist Schools’ Expanding Global Influence":
"Over the past few decades the Gulen movement has spread to virtually every corner of the globe through its expansive education network. The Gulenist international footprint comprises 1,000 private schools (according to Gulen estimates) spanning 115 countries, including 35 African countries. These schools can be found in small towns everywhere from Ethiopia, Bosnia, Cambodia, India, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Coted’Ivoire, Azerbaijan – and even the United States, where according to some estimates, THE MOVEMENT RUNS MORE THAN 90 CHARTER PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN AT LEAST 20 STATES..." [caps are mine]
STRATFOR is an Austin-based company which produces intelligence reports for high-level businesses and agencies. It is completely legitimate.
Americans need to stop with their denial and passivity. The Gulen Movement’s stealth activities in the U.S. are now being exposed. That they are being threatened is what is producing the out-of-control emotional rants from "William Pack."
As far as the various claims of the "teachers" who are posting her go -- who if they are real Harmony teachers, are certain to be utterly ignorant about the Gulen Movement -- these individuals are simply tools for the GM, having been manipulated to join in its collection of unknowing American enablers.
William Pack
With so many nicknames and pseudonyms to take, the alternatives are countless. So, after I wrote something the very same person changed his/her nickname again and wrote their same old claims. YOU MIGHT REALIZE THAT THEY NEVER ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS. They just write opps sorry copy and paste what they have in their repertoire.
They also look very knowledgeable about Turkey which strengthens my claim that some members of this bogus website are Turkish origin.
Besides your junk websites are not Austin based like you claimed. Stratford... himm. keep up the good work guys.. and find someone else to tell their false tales. I AM STILL AWAITING ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE!
Maria Stinson
My goodness William, how much more obvious can you be? This is the same off-topic postings you try on other forums such as USA Today. None of your mumbo jumbo goes unnoticed. are you dense?
Your question has been thoroughly and in the Gulenites words "scientifically" answered, quantitatively and qualitatively.
if you cannot understand the consise, clear answers you are getting or do not understand the difference between the TAKS, SAT, STAR, AP scores than this must be the reason why the Harmony and other Gulen managed schools are failing.
You see Mr. William aka Mustafa or is it Hasan? You don't know American Education, and never will. Turkish education and testing is riddled with fraud and you try that same smoke screen mentality here. While clouding the issue of what is really the truth, these schools are all inter-related and all roads lead to Gulen as you all have associations in your past to Gulen. This is a known and documented fact that is public record per your HB-1 Visas that you have conned Americans into paying for.
And what did we pay for? Nothing.
You are not Scholars as you claim, You are not credentialed teachers even in your native Turkey. Your only qualifications for this job as is Dr. Taner is your association with Hizmet.
Hell you cannot even understand the concise answers to your lame question that you repeat over and over as if it will somehow catch on after the 100th time. You fool no one, not even yourself.
These fake parent postings and your paying $195.00 to be a part of PR wire to broadcast inaccurate information regarding the standards of Harmony Science Academys is false advertising. You can continue to send some Congressmen to Turkey every year, or host politicans at your local Interfaith dinners which are merely thinly disguised recruitment centers for Raindrop Turkish House, Gulen Institute, Cosmos and all other network of Gulen foundations.
Try a little transparency and forthrightness, you might earn more respect and gain credibility if you just admitt the obvious that you are part of the Gulen Movement.
This is why your schools are failing and enrollment is dropping, you are not approaching education in America from a sincere desire to help. You care nothing about American children or them succeeding, these schools are window dressings for the bigger picture of Gulen's continued inflitration of Media, Education, Military, Politics and Police.
This has already gotten your group into a fine mess in Turkey where there is a current investigation on the Gulen movement's inflitration. You will not succeed in America, there have already been 12 Gulen Charter School applications that have been DENIED throughout the USA.
KIPP, ASPIRE and the other Charter chains are closing in and circling in on your silly show. They are growing while you are decling. Hope you have your exit visa ready.
Maria Stinson
Harmony's Schools in Oklahoma (Dove and Discovery) low ball qualified American Salaries while non-American staff with NO TEACHING experience are paid higher wages.
This is below standard wages.
Because public charter schools are exempt from the state minimum salary schedule, some local teachers earn thousands of dollars less than their counterparts teaching in traditional districts.
Each year, the Oklahoma State Department of Education produces a minimum salary guideline for public school teachers. The guideline increases teachers' salaries as their teaching experience and education increase.
Many school districts, including some exempt public charter school districts, follow the guideline or pay teachers more.
Some local public charter schools, however, do not meet the minimum because of budget problems, administrators said.
Kaan Camuz, the superintendent of Discovery School of Tulsa and Dove Science academies in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, said the schools negotiate contracts with each teacher individually.
Education Department data show that often, the schools' pay does not meet the state's minimum salary standards.
"We would like to pay even more to our teachers, but with the budget cuts, we have to wait," Camuz said.
According to the state's database, at least 17 teachers at Discovery and Dove are paid less than the state's minimum.
One second-year teacher with a bachelor's degree at Dove Science Academy, for example, earns a total of $27,300 - or about $4,600 less than the state's minimum salary schedule for a person with a degree and one year of experience.
Camuz, who earned $75,000, said the schools usually pay more to math and science teachers because the schools emphasize those subjects. The state data, however, show that teachers of other subjects sometimes get as much, if not more, than math and science teachers.
Lori Whiteday, a first-grade teacher at Discovery, has 10 years experience as a teacher, she said. Last year, she signed a $29,500 yearly contract, and data show that she earned an additional $1,475 in district-paid retirement benefits.
Whiteday, however, said she has yet to receive the benefits. Even so, she makes thousands of dollars less than her counterparts in traditional public schools do.
"I didn't argue because I know there are teachers who make less than that at some charters or private Christian schools," Whiteday said.
Administrators told her that all teachers at Discovery, which opened last year, would be paid $29,500, she said. But state data show that nearly every full-time teacher at Discovery, including those with fewer years of experience, make more.
Whiteday said she was happy to receive a $1,500 raise this year but disappointed to learn that the raise only brought her up to about the base salary of many first-year teachers in other districts.
Even with the exemption, some local public charter schools still pay teachers the state's minimum.
Eric Doss, the principal of Tulsa School of the Arts and Sciences, said the school elected to follow the state's payment guidelines.
"We believe that our teachers are professionals, and they should be paid accordingly," Doss said. "I wouldn't believe in paying them less than the state standard."
According to the state's 2009-10 minimum teacher salary schedule, first-year public school teachers with a bachelor's degree must receive at least $31,600 in base salary and district-paid benefits.
The state's minimum increases as teachers gain experience and education. For example, a second-year teacher with a bachelor's degree must earn at least $31,975 and a second-year teacher with a master's degree must earn at least $33,175.
Tulsa Public Schools officials are discussing a switch to a performance-based payment system. If TPS makes the change, it would reward teachers based on effectiveness - such as increasing test scores - rather than experience and education.
Currently, Tulsa Public Schools pays first-year teachers with a bachelor's degree $32,900, or $1,300 more than the state's minimum.
Original Print Headline: Charter teachers lowballed on pay
Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=19&articleid=20100927_11_A1_Becaus79038
Maria Stinson
September 28, 2010
The craziness in Turkey reaches new heights
A renowned Turkish police investigator, Hanefi Avci, is behind bars today, accused of having collaborated with a violent revolutionary organization. The charges make as much sense as Winston Churchill having been an undercover operative for Stalin.
To anyone but the most jaundiced observer, Avci’s real crime is obvious: he wrote a book in which he claimed that members of the Fethullah Gulen network within the police and the prosecutorial branch – followers of the U.S.-based Muslim spiritual leader –were using dirty tricks to frame and incarcerate perceived opponents.
Avci, a courageous and incorruptible police commander, can hardly be considered an ultra-secular, ultra-nationalist defender of the old guard. His worldviews are much closer to the Gulenists that he now accuses. That is what lent credibility to his charges and made his book such a bombshell. He now appears to have fallen victim to the kind of machinations that he exposed in his own book.
Ironically, Avci’s arrest comes on the same day that another story exposing the dirty tricks broke. This one concerns the famed Cage Plan, which is one of the alleged Ergenekon plots that the police and the prosecutors are supposed to have uncovered. The Cage Plan is an operation that is said to be hatched by members of the Ergenekon gang to harass and intimidate minorities. Police claim that it was discovered in encrypted form on a DVD found in a retired naval major’s office.
A forensic examination in the United States has revealed that the DVD in question does not contain any such plan. Wherever the plan may have originated from, the source wasn’t the retired officer who is currently in jail. Unbelievable as it sounds, the U.S. forensic expert – a founder of NYPD’s computer crimes investigation unit – says there is little doubt that the police and TUBITAK just made it up when they alleged that the DVD contained the plan. It looks like the Cage Plan was written by perpetrators with the express intent of framing a group of naval officers and their superiors. No surprise here if you have followed the Sledgehammer case.
Don’t expect the Turkish media to dwell on these remarkable developments at any length. Turkey’s nominally independent media is under tremendous pressure to toe the government line and not offend the Gulen movement. The Dogan media group, for example, is reeling under a huge tax fine imposed last year. The reporters and columnists who understand what is going are effectively silenced, while the government-friendly media (Zaman, Star, Sabah, and so on) spew endless disinformation.
It is very difficult not to get depressed about the state of the country. All the more so since much of the Western media (as well as Washington, DC and Brussels) appear to be clueless about these goings-on and what they reveal about the nature of the government in power.
Maria Stinson
TESTING SCANDAL MAY LEAVE TURKISH SCHOOLS WITHOUT TEACHERS.
Hundreds of thousands of schoolchildren risk not having a teacher on their first day of classes as education officials try to sort out allegations of cheating on the placement exam for civil servants.
“We believe the Education Ministry must postpone the deadline to nominate teachers by a week or 10 days,” ?smail Koncuk, the chairman of the Turkish Education Union, or Türk E?itim-Sen, told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review in a phone interview Thursday. He said a delay would allow the ministry to see the results of the Ankara Prosecutor’s Office investigation into the cheating allegations.
Though the country’s top educational authority has not yet concluded its own inquiry into the accusations that some test-takers had access to the questions before taking the Public Personnel Selection Examination, or KPSS, it has said the claims might have merit.
“The questions might have leaked out,” the Higher Education Board, or YÖK’s, Board of Auditors said in a declaration Thursday. The statement, however, does not represent a final finding as the auditors have yet to meet with officials from the Student Selection and Placement Center, or ÖSYM.
As the YÖK and Ankara prosecutor’s inquiries continue, union representatives are saying the authorities must act rapidly and thoroughly.
The cheating allegations focus on the KPSS10, the exam according to which teachers are selected and placed throughout Turkey. Though the deadline set by the Education Ministry for applications is Friday and the placement decision for 30,000 teacher positions is due to be announced by Tuesday, any appointment decisions risk being canceled if the KPSS results are determined to be invalid.
“The [KPSS] exam must be canceled if it is proven that a large number of people have cheated,” Koncuk said, adding that such a possibility was high.
The Presidency’s press center has also released a statement saying the allegations on cheating or leaked questions were being followed and have been brought to the attention to the State Supervisory Council.
“The Education Ministry refused to postpone the deadline for placement of teachers,” Mehmet Bozgeyik, the secretary-general for the Education and Science Personnel Union, or E?itim-Sen, told the Daily News. He said the union had presented all the information they possessed to help the investigations of people who registered perfect scores. He also said that they had proof that most of the candidates with perfect scores had close marital, family or housemate relations with each other.
The Education Ministry must postpone the placement of teachers until it gets the results of the ongoing investigations lest it “support this messy situation,” Bozgeyik said.
Ayd?n Do?du, one of the owners of the Kad?köy Çözüm Education Institution, who has been instructing graduates who take the KPSS since 2003, told the Daily News that it was impossible for even a few people to get perfect scores on the exam.
“Even [KPSS] experts found some of the questions in this years’ exam difficult to understand and solve,” he said, countering claims that some 350 candidates were able to get perfect scores because the test had been very simple.
According to Do?du, the fact that the number of people with lower scores had decreased was another indicator that there had been cheating. “Normally, the people who get high scores are fewer [in number] than those with low scores,” he said, adding that this year’s results showed the opposite pattern.
He added, however, that it would be difficult to properly punish the responsible persons if the cheating claims proved to be true, saying there were gaps in the Turkish Penal Code in this respect.
Koncuk disagreed, saying that if the allegations are proven, the responsible parties could be punished for “misconduct of duties” and for harming the future of innocent people.
Maria Stinson
TODAY'S ZAMAN IS OWNED BY THE GULEN MOVEMENT AS PART OF HIS DOMINATION ON MEDIA. THE TURKISH OLYMPIADS ARE THE SHOWS THE HARMONY SCIENCE - AMERICAN CHILDREN PARTICIPATE IN SHOWCASING THEIR TURKISH SKILLS WHILE THE ISLAMIC FLAG OF TURKEY IS FLYING. IT IS A WAY TO PUSH AMERICAN CULTURE ASIDE AND PUT TURKISH CULTURE FRONT AND CENTER.
EVERY HEARD OF RAYTHEON, DELL, LOCKHEAD AND OTHER HUGE CONTRACTORS WITH BUSINESS IN TURKEY? BASED OUT OF TEXAS. OR SOMETIMES CALLED GULEN'S RAYTHEON. YEP BOUGHT AND PAID FOR WITH GULEN'S $25 BILLION
Too Bad William Pack will never have some of Baba Gulen's money, you are just a little Patsy to his money and power schemes. Poor little William aka Mustafa, aka Hasan or whatever your real name is.
This is from Today's Zaman," a worldwide daily Nurcu newspaper:
"Why is Fethullah Gülen in Texas?"
We are at the Turkish Olympiads in Houston, Texas, sponsored by the Cosmos foundation, a nonprofit organization that the Fethullah Gülen movement is involved in.
We have become somewhat familiar with hearing children from various parts of the world and different languages speak Turkish. But it was both interesting and impressive to see the same thing in Houston, a city located 10,000 kilometers from Turkey. As students participated in the competition, parents watched with joy and excitement and applauded their children as they sang songs and poems in Turkish. There were Americans from all walks of life -- black, white, Hispanic and Asian -- and for each there was a new image of Turkey developing in their mind. County Judge Ed Emmett expressed this, saying: "Many years ago I had heard of Turkey from a waiter. But now I know Turkey and many Turks. These types of activities foster the development a multicultural society in America."
Maria Stinson
Turkish Daily Press - August 25, 2010
AK Group
August 26, 2010 at 3:00 am
http://www.hudson-ny.org/1512/turkish-daily-press-august-25-2010
RADICAL ISLAMISTS ARE BECOMING MORE POWERFUL IN TURKEY
Known as the "Shadow CIA," STRATFOR, a private intelligence organization, published a report about recent political and security issues in Turkey on August 23. The report reveals the rising power of the Fethullah sect in education, security, intelligence, judiciary, media and business.
The report also says that the governing party, the AKP, was reluctant to act boldly to implement its Islamic agenda in the beginning, but they are now more up-front; it is obvious that they represent the Islamists in Turkey.
http://haber.gazetevatan.com/turkiyede-dinciler-gucleniyor/324946/1/Gundem
WILLIAM, YOU WILLNOT WIN IN TURKEY
AND YOU WILL NOT WIN IN THE USA
OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT FOR SALE
AND NEITHER IS THEIR EDUCATION
TAKE YOUR TURKISH CHARACTER CLASSES
AND SHOVE IT.
Maria Stinson
William Pack aka Jonathanad from USA today's comments.
At least if you are going to ask the same stupid distractive questions
use the SAME posting screen name.
You error in your thoughts that Americans are stupid, we are on to
your scam. Keep dipping into the millions of education dollars to support
Gulen's lobbying efforts in Washington DC (Rumi Forum and the Assemby of Turkic
American Federations in Washintong) and those audits will keep knocking at your
door. Better put some of our American tax dollars aside for your 1 way ticket back
to Turkey. I am sure you will be able to find a job in one of Fetosh's many businesses
slinging the Gulen Kool aid in Turkey.
William Pack
Dear Maria Stinson, Kavrama Prima, Yolanda Stimson (what a similarity, huh?), Bill Thacker, Sophie Bla bla, etc. Listen up guys. Anyway, you are the same persons.
1) You cannot write those allegations (Maria Stinson this is for you) in 2 or 4 minutes. You just keep doing copy and paste stuff. I don't even bother myself to read all your bogus stuff, because you look like you are out of control repeating the same groundless things. I just read some things from the bottom which I found it hilarious. I will come to that point.
2) I am American. This shows that you even didn't read my previous writings before or you want to mislead other readers to inflict the impression on others by constantly claiming that I’m not American. But sorry… It is impossible not to read my previous postings, because basically you are the same old person. That means you are an ill-intentioned person. By the way stop relating yourselves with Staffor or whatever else. If that company is capable of only those second-quality websites, then they are also junk. You copy-paste a lot of things and I cannot answer to you, because you know Turkish politics better than me. I am the proponent of diversity in education, therefore support charter schools. But you look like you are racist Turks. We do not want racist and fascist people here.
3) You cannot be American, because you are using some words that I have never heard of. Like I said YOU ARE DEFINITELY A TURKISH giving links of Turkish websites and using non-existent words such as Fetosh. You are saying “I am sure you will be able to find a job in one of his many businesses”. Is he an employer? Does he own a dot com business? I am engineer, so please tell him to find me a business related to my field. By the way, you did not write anything for a week and as SOON AS I WROTE SOMETHING, YOU STARTED TO EXPLODE!!! What a coincidence, right?
Now I will copy my vintage burning questions.. get ready, because you DON'T HAVE TO GUTS TO ANSWER.
William Pack
1) Since you are Turkish, that is why you don’t seem to be getting what I am saying. But I need to reiterate (opps I shouldn’t use sophisticated words) my point. WHO ARE THE MAKERS OF THOSE SECOND-QUALITY JUNK WEBSITES AND BLOGS? IF YOU ARE ADVERTISING THOSE BOGUS STUFF, THEN YOU KNOW WHO ARE THE ARCHITECTS? IS IT YOU? WHY DO THOSE UNKNOWN PEOPLE (maybe I should call them unsung heroes, right?) SPEND “A LOT OF” ENERGY ON THESE WEBSITES? To protect our children from the bad guys? WHY DO THEY HIDE THEIR IDs? BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT TO BE EXPOSED AND MAYBE PAY SOME MONEY IN CASE OF ANY LAWSUIT, right? YOU SEEM TO BE RUNNING OUT OF ANSWERS WHEN I ASK THOSE BURNING QUESTIONS AGAIN AND AGAIN. Who are you? You and other people (if any) with the same mindset really spend a great deal of effort to defame people in cyberspace. I can only applaud you zealousness to do that, not the bogus stuff you spread there.
2) I already looked at the websites you advertise a couple of weeks ago and I couldn’t help but laugh at some ridiculous claims even though I have no idea about other claims. For example, Bill Gates is shown wearing Arab clothes implying that either he is a Muslim or he is helping the Muslims to establish radical Islam! IS THIS WHAT YOU CALL "CREDIBLE"?
3) One more news: They talk about Harmony Schools and in the news there is a picture of a school where the teacher and students wear headscarves. Until I read Texas Tribune article, nothing had clicked in me. But when I read the article and saw the pictures of Harmony School students, I realized that the picture belongs to Tarik bin Ziyad Academy in Minnesota which is an Islamic school. So, any ignorant person like “me”, didn’t have any chance to know if the picture really belonged to Harmony Schools or not. But Harmony school students are like any the ones in any public schools. Besides, their female teacher is an American lady who had PhD in English. It is quite the opposite of the picture those junk websites give. THIS IS ALSO CONTRARY TO THE ETHICS OF JOURNALISM, because you cannot talk about A and show the picture of B in your news or article.
4) You even didn’t read this “Texas Tribune” article, did you? What they are talking about in this article is 180 degree opposite of your nonsense. You accuse the author of Texas Monthly article. Who is next? THE AUTHOR OF TEXAS TRIBUNE ARTICLE? Hey Brian THEVENOT. Be careful, you are gonna be accused of something like being Gulenist in the very near future.
5) Yolanda and Kavrama still haven’t answered my claims. Instead another person (maybe the same person) tried to answer me. I really wonder who you are.
6) I still claim that a person named Kavrama doesn’t exist. They are all the same. I WISH TEXAS Tribune IT guys OR WEBMASTERS COULD FIND OUT THE IPs OF YOLANDA, KAVRAMA, LAUREN AND BILL THACKER. They are basically the same people. If they don’t bother to find it out, I will kindly request a couple of my IT friends to find out the IPs of those fake names. I am kidding. OK, stop crying guys. I will probably do nothing, because you will again say, “he is threatening us.” :)
7) OK, nobody sued you so far. WHY DON'T YOU GO AND SUE THOSE PEOPLE IF THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING BAD?
8) Latest update about Kavrama: I asked my Indian engineer friend if Kavrama means something in Indian language and he couldn’t recognize. Maybe his is not very fluent in Indian, because this name came to me like an Indian name: Kavrama Prima.. I googled Kavrama if it is an Arabic word… No avail… And then I checked if it is a Turkish word. Bingo!!! In a dictionary it says “comprehension” and “insight” about Kavrama. That strengthens my doubts. Kavrama is a Turkish name (I don’t know if it is male or female name) and it is used again by Bill and co. Remember Bill is very knowledgeable about Turks and Arabs. He knows the public opinion very well. I guess you are Turk and you don’t like Gulen or Gulenist people in Turkey. That is why you are founding those websites and spreading the news around you. Now some things are starting to click in me… But how could I know? Sorry for being ignorant for such a long time :(
9) AGAIN… You just keep spreading the same claims instead of my questions I asked so many times. Please don’t bother to respond to me, because it is gonna be a waste of time. I know what you are gonna write. “There is a deep connection between Gulen and schools. They are very dangerous. They are infiltrating.” OK, OK… so much pep talk.
10) What I am gonna do is from now on, I will copy and paste my “burning questions” each time you post the same old claims. Because you don’t have the capacity and capability to satisfactorily answer my questions. No more of waste of time…
You have the mentality of old Maoists in China. Just concentrating on what they say instead of paying attention to others’ questions… Period.
William Pack
BTW, I really don't know who jonathanad is on USA Today. I swear I am not jonathan something. But I did take a look at the discussion page there. He or she has a conversation with someone called Elif, a lady probably from Arabia or Turkey. She has a headscarf. I guess you two (no no, you eight, nine, ten) are the same people as Elif. Otherwise you wouldn't tell me that I am the same person.
LET'S ASK TEXAS TRIBUNE GUYS, FROM HOW MANY DIFFERENT IPs I USE AND HOW MANY YOU USE? I WISH THE TRUTH WOULD REVEAL SO AS TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE JUST THE FAKE SAME PERSONS WITH DIFFERENT NICKNAMES, PSEUDONYMS.
You also told me that I need to get my exit visa ready. I do not have any visa or passport, because I have never been to another country before. But since you know these issues very well, I guess you need to go back to home which is Turkey. Go home racist and fascist Turks!
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IF I WERE TO USE A NICKNAME I WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT, BUT I DON'T NEED THAT. I AM WILLIAM PACK. I CANNOT BE ANOTHER PERSON JUST LIKE YOU GUYS. YOU ARE PRIMA, YOLANDA, KAVRAMA, BILL, SOPHIE AND OTHERS. (We call it et. al. in academic papers.)
Different guises but the very same old sh..
William Pack
Guys, here is the guideline for you:
1) Find a nickname, preferably a female one that ends with the letter "a" such as Kavrama, Yolanda, Maria.
2) Get some articles from your admiral flag websites and copy-paste them.
3) Say something strange about Turkish politics that American readers, like me, will never understand. You can claim anything, because we the Americans do not have expertise on Turkey.
4) Check your e-mails. When William Pack comments, you will be notified. Repeat the first three procedures again and again.
PS: I am not scared of you guys. I am all alone here. But you have different names, because YOU DON'T HAVE THE GUTS TO FACE ME ALONE! Looks like I am giving answers to different people, right? Nooo, they are all the same sh..
GIVE SATISFACTORY ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS AND I WILL STOP WRITING HERE AGAIN. They are there awaiting your "beautiful" answers.
Maria Stinson
No William don't try to sugarcoat that you post the same dribble on USA today under another name.---->Jonathonad.
I am not any of those other posters but do know a few of them and was alerted about your lying posts so I wanted to jump in. As much as this is hard for you to get through your unscholarly BRAIN, we are a group of AMERICAN citizens throughout the USA. Most of us are not even in the same state, we represent: Ohio, California, Texas, Arizona, Montana, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Utah, Illinois and a few other states. We are educators, parents concerned American citizens/tax payers and government officials.
Do not romance the notion we are all the same people, we are much bigger than you believe and know much more than you know about your own organization.
Poor poor William aka Jonathanad, what will you do when the American government closes the gulen managed charter schools down and gives all the business to Aspire, Kipp and the CREDIBLE charter schools?
We are America, you have no business here trying to pretend you know something about education and what it takes to be successful in the USA. You even have HB-1 Visas that are denied, not all your brothers get in the USA.
You can try all your fluff stories and pay big money for marketing and PR, and even your attorneys to fight School Boards and lawsuits. But, it will never get rid of your glaring problem of insufficient education for American children. Hey, you have done even a worse job in Turkey. Not only your ...............how did they put it at your Utah school ? Ah yes
"Chronic financial Mismanagement" that one barely got by and currently is on PROBATION.
Keep up the lies and we will keep giving you more rope. Comin at ya from all ends, oh this I promise you ..............like a boomerang.
Since you are so BIG on proverbs, here is one for you and your gulen staff that post on various boards like satisfied parents:
Those that tell big lies (yalan)
will oneday run and scurry to tell more stories
their stories are recycled lies with different names
the lying trails all stay the same.
your stories of improved scores and the best schools is hysterical to me.
it won't be long before you return to turkey.
you do not belong here, this is not your country
you steal our money and expect us to pay for your schooling
go back to turkey face your trial baba gulen.
the end is comming very soon
for that big ugly gulen goon.
Maria Stinson
The author of this piece didn't take a investigative approach but rather collected information solely from the Harmony school's public relations department. The video was more of our education money that Harmony spends on marketing and PR.
Thank goodness Oprah gave $1 million to the YES schools in Houston and not to Harmony. After all the truth is out even Bill Gates won't give you a red cent, in fact he gave out millions this year and it was NOT to any Gulen schools. He now knows better, so does Walton Family Foundation and Dell. Better go squeeze some of that $25 billion from the 5th grade educated pasha of Poconos.
Yes, I am Turkish-American and proud of it. So what is your point? I am like many other Turkish people we despise Gulen.
Maria Stinson
Mr. Bill Thacker poster
Turkey and Gulen are NOT tolerant of other cultures and religions they have faked this part with the AKP and the latest referendum for democracy that was recently voted in.
There have been consistent years of persecuting the Kurds and other minorities who were the indigenous people of Turkey.
The biggest scandal was just reported by BBC news how Turkish muslims stormed an ancient church in Ani on 10/1 friday prayers. They shamelessly gave islamic services in a Christian church. These old ancient buildings in Turkey make the current nationalists nervous as they are testimony of the fact the area was inhabited and built by non-turks centuries before the arrival of our ancestors from Central Asia.
This is why when the students travel to Turkey they are told to not wear a cross or other religious jewelry. It is not safe for American Students to travel to Turkey for the Turkish Olympiad performance.
This is just more of the same "dog and pony" gulen show.
horario vasquez
I have been watching this nonsense for a couple of weeks and as a Harmony Parent who works in search engine optimization business, I am sick and tired of those repeated things.
Willy Pack.. stop asking the same questions again and again OK? u see they dont even answer.
As for the others... I am working on you since I read your accusations. In a couple of weeks I will tell everyone on this website and elsewhere that you are really the small part of a bigger project.
I checked all the WHOIS documents, root sources, and other technical details. You guys are all gonna be embarrassed. I may even think of launching a blog (just like you) and tell people all you dirty tricks. How you rally other people? What kind of connections you have with the top Turkish bureucrats and military officals.
I know everything and I even know some of your real names. I have spent all my three years in order to find a better school for my children. Now I can't let Harmony face such things.
You are really a part of a big plan who spend more than 20 thousand $ monthly in order to defame any kind of Muslim.
As a Harmony Parent, I dont have a problem with the Muslims and they never taught something harmful to my 9 and 13 year old sons.
We are happy parents guys, so what is your problems?
William Pack
Here we go..
Now s/he has confessed. Very good. I was repeating the same claim from the beginning and now I am very proud of the fact that I detected this racist Turk here on this website.
But I couldn't have done it alone.
Now you answered one of my questions, here comes the other burning questions: Where are they?
See above!!!
William Pack
Wait a minute Horario!
With all my due respect, you cannot tell me that I need to shut up.
Especially when my opponents confessed the truth...
Since I am not a Harmony parent, this website needed a person like you.
I will enthusiastically be waiting your research to unfold. I wish I could be the one to first see the results and see those people's dirty laundry.
Maria Stinson
William Pack of lies;
Now you have a fictional conversation with a Horario to throw the cloud on the glaring problems at Harmony. Do you also hear voices in your head?
Your posts are more of the same Jonathon ad from USA, you are not even original in thought and lack debating skills. diverting is not debating
Also getting the last word in doesn't mean you win. Soon very SOON William. Fetosh will have to be accountable for his actions.
horario vasquez
Hey Willy,
If I dont write sth. it is not because IDK anything. I know those guys' ancestors. belive me... Alas, I cant show you my research, because it is not only about those poor guys! It is about the extreme people who fund such activities and their networkk is so huge Willy! They have more than 50 websites and 500 blogs. they write an article and share this article everywhere. their network's so strong.
one of their bosses (actually it is a country) hired 50 people on the day of an important event which i wont tell you and all those 50 people opened new channels on Twitter and answered the question of everyone on Twitter about this event.
A clue: it is an international event that happened this year the eyes of the world on this event.. i hope you got it, because we american citizens have some difficulty in dealing with the worldwide news...
horario vasquez
I gotta go Willy sorry.
Others.. I will be back to unfol everything...
William Pack
Are you serious Vasquez? I never heard of these.
BTW shut up Stimson. This is not what you are doing! SINCE THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING FOR THE VERY LAST FEW WEEKS, YOU ACCUSE ME OF THE SAME THING. LOOK AT THE HOURS AND MINUTES, YOU IDIOT. CAN I DO THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME? HA HA HA
Texas Tribune Guys... I beg you please prove them that I cannot be Vasquez. PLEASE ALSO PROVE THAT YOLANDA KAVRAMA BILL THACKER AND STIMSON ARE ALL THE VERY SAME GUYS.
A joke for you racist Turk:
Two blind were eating peanuts. One of them said: you are eating two by two. How do you know asked the other blind. because I eat two by two.
YOU ARE THE BLIND IN THE STORY WHO EATS THE PEANUTS TWO BY TWO AND THINKS THAT I AM ALSO DOING THE SAME STUFF AS YOU. HA HA HA.
Am I that stupid like you?
Maria Stinson
Horario aka William Pack of Lies
you always try to bring up the Islamophobia stuff
well it won't work as I am muslim too except there is no way I am a Sufi but a Sunni.
although I believe in secularism. It is the Gulen group that is prejudice toward infidels and other muslims.
Yes William aka Jonathanad.
again, more clouding of your glaring issue of fraud in the gulen charter schools. americans will do you in, what and see. the money is already starting to stop.
William Pack
WHY DON'T THOSE GUYS TAKE TURKISH NAMES WHEN THEY WRITE ON THE INTERNET?
because they think that they will lack credibility. That is why each and every time they use a fake name starting with the same SAME PATTERN.
Look at YOLANDA STIMSON and MARIA STINSON below. You see the similarity? you see the resemblance? They are very same guys, maybe girls :)
That is what I have been claiming for a couple of weeks. These are doing damage control for their own cause. They just defame people regardless of their background.
THEY ARE THE SAME OLD SH.. WAKE UP AMERICA!
Horario might be right. I don't know. I need to check his or her facts as well. Since he looks like a Latino person, I am not sure if he or she is knowledgeable about American reality. I hope s/he was born here in the US.
One thing I know... All those accusers are basically the same people, but why are they defaming Harmony Schools and Gulen? Gulen is Turkish and those fake-named guy also Turkish. What in the world a Turk hates another Turk?
I GUESS THEY HAVE SOME GRUDGE BACK IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY (TURKEY) ABOUT GULEN.
THEY WANT TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE BY ATTACKING GULEN AND HARMONY SCHOOLS!
I wish I could have realized all these before :(
Maria Stinson
Stinson is my married name
my family name is Ozcun and I was born in the USA
My parents are from Ankara.
I use my American husband's name because I am proud to be American with Turkish roots. However as you know the name "turkiye" is new and was only formed in 1924.
Our bloodline is Albanian and Circassian.
No conspiracy theory and no need for you to become paranoid
William Pack of Lies
Jonathonad
I wonder how much Harmony paid for this fluff piece of PR?
P.S. another Gulen charter was denied in NJ, our kemalist brothers are working hard.
William Pack
SINCE S/HE CANNOT LOG IN AT THE SAME TIME, SHE USES DIFFERENT NICKNAMES EVERYTIME SHE GOES IN.
Iike I said before, if gulen and Harmony schools are guilty, they need to be punished for whatever they did, but if they are innocent, those people like Yolanda and Maria and Kavrama (THEY ARE ALL THE SAME REMEMBER?) should be sued for what they did. They dirtied the cyberspace.
on the other hand, you see she keeps threatening Gulen and other people by saying SOON very SOON! That means something will happen very soon. I guess their big brothers will try to kick Gulen out of country.
Since they look like a big network, the Texas branch of this racist Turkish guys is YOLANDA STIMSON and MARIA STINSON who are basically the very same persons.
Maria Stinson
William Pack of Lies I am not Yolanda and I don't know her. Not sure if I recognize her name. But I do recognize some of the other names.
If I was Yolanda I would admitt it, why not?
So how about it Jonathonad aka William Pack.
remember, you don't win because you get the last word in. And there isn't a problem just in turkiye with Gulen and it is NOT a grudge but fraud that he is being investigated for. This is why he after all had to LEAVE Turkey and put himself into exile. He is pathetic and will not win America won't allow it. The teachers are all catching on, you can disrespect the American teachers but all the law suits are catching up.
You will be busy William Pack with your damage control. Very busy indeed.
Question is...are you paid a salary by the Gulen media for making all of these posts?
You really must get a life, Gulen is not all that. Far from it. And certainly NO scholar he has no formal education beyond the 6th grade.
but he laughs all the way to the bank. hopefully he shares it with you for all of your undying loyalty. Ah the men in the gulen movement are something else.
Maria Stinson
P.S.
My word those are a lot of lawsuits against the gulen schools
but there are at least 24 more.
Yep, Jonathonad aka William Pack
you will be very very busy with damage control.
Hope Gulen is paying you some of that $25 billion
William Pack
OK Maria Stinson and Yolanda Stimson...
You are basically the same. I made a quick search about Turkey, but it is not enough. I need to know more about you.
Since you for the first time mentioned "Kemalist brothers" I really wonder who they are. WHY ARE YOU SAYING BROTHERS ALTHOUGH YOU ARE A SISTER? IS IT BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONLY SISTER IN THE ORGANIZATION?
What is the problem between Kemalist brothers and Gulen in Turkey? As she confessed, those brothers are working hard (just take a look at my previous writings for the term "working hard", they are a force right now in the US.
They must have an organization or institution here in the US and Texas.
I need to find out more about Kemalist people. Why do they hate Gulen... Are they a paramilitary organization that works for some ultimate purpose? Why do they have such a good network?
That is it for now, I need to get my dinner. I am hungry after so many confessions from my lovely opponent.
William Pack
Wait a minute...
I gotta show this..
In Wikipedia it says Turkey was founded in 1923 not 1924.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_republic
That means this Stimson sister doesn't even know the date of establishment of Turkey. You should never go back to Turkey and stay here in Texas with your husband.
And one more thing...
Maria Stinson
Texas people are catching on
They will freeze you out very soon
William you must know the saying "Dont' mess with Texas"
They know you are not American and have Gulen and Turkish loyalities only. You are in the USA as part of the worldwide domination of Gulen. It isn't working, America is watching and waiting. very patiently they wait, and wait, and wait. first - less money, second -more audits, third- politicans pull their support from you, fourth- enrollment drops, fifith- scores continue to drop sixth- lawsuits increase, seventh- more arrests in turkiye , eigth- more charter applications denied , ninth-more upset parents and teachers, tenth- Hb 1 visas denied.
OOpps I forget 1-10 is already happening. It must su*k to be you.
Maria Stinson
final paperwork to forming Republic of Turkey was finalized 1 year later in 1924, we also didn't have a formal alphabet till then either.
everything we have is borrowed from the invaded lands of our ottoman ancestors;
our religion, language, food, music, alphabet. from the: persians, armenians, kurds, arabs, greeks, latins, etc.,
pick up a book and study my history instead of online dictionarys. it might expand your intellect so you don't have to "fact check" all the time with your same useless questions.
William Pack
Hello Gaia Ozcun...
Guys.. in Google write "gaia ozcun" like this and you will see the same comments from our sister Gaia!
Why are you always changing your name Gaia?
In some websites she uses the name Gaia, while in some others she uses Yolanda, Kavrama Prima Maria bla bla bla...
I guess in USA Today Elif is also the same person because she accuses me of the same thing...
SHE ACCUSES ME OF STH, BECAUSE SHE DOES THE SAME THING
GIVE ME ONE MORE WEEK AND THEN I WILL COME BACK AGAIN TO WRITE YOU MORE ABOUT YOUR "KEMALIST BROTHERS" AFTER I HAVE COMPLETED MY RESEARCH...
See you Gaia, Yolanda, Kavrama, Maria, Bill, and other Turks.
I am so relieved now to prove you that you are a Turk! Quite an accomplishment.
Maria Stinson
10 Facets of Islamic Deception: Taqiyya Shown in Gulen Charter Schools
1. Hard core Denial: Flatly deny, we are not part of Gulen we are Turkish Scholars, merely trying to educate you Americans in your insufficent educational efforts.
2. Soft Intimidation: Intimidate teachers and parents with cease and desist letters if they mention Gulen in connection with the schools. American teachers threatened with job loss.
3. Hide under the guise of Religion and Tolerance: Claim Gulen is a good man who promotes interfaith dialog with world's religious leaders. (photos to prove 1 time meetings) uses local Gulen Interfaith programs to con local politicians and Christian groups. Turning churches into Gulen Charter schools (Lotus School of Excellence- Aurora, CO) or the ex- private Catholic School purchased by the Gulen movement and shamelessly converted to a new Charter school in St. Louis, MO.
4. Hard intimidation: Send cease and desist letters from Gulen Foundation lawyers to parents or teachers who dare speak the truth. (threats and intimidation start) walk into State Charter meetings with attorney as in the case of Beehive Science Academy. Fire teachers that try to form a Teachers Union and want to improve student academics. Claim parents are disgruntled because their child got bad grades.
5. Step up Marketing and Public Relations: Beef up the marketing and Public relations with Gulen's own web sites and media. Keep up the appearance with local politicians, police, etc., who visit the schools - always have a video or camera ready to capture the moment of presenting tea sets to visiting elected officials. Stay on top of blogs, web sites, news articles that are exposing and questioning the Gulen managed charter schools in the USA. Free trips to Turkey for local media, politicans and interfaith groups.
6. Medium Core Denial: Gulen schools claim "there is no proof or evidence" it is a "conspiracy theory" (by the way there is plenty of proof) or "American paranoia."
7. Pay offs and bribes: Pay off's of victims so the case doesn't reach national attention only local. Dove Science Academy rape victim -family and attorney get $100,000 from the Gulen Foundation in Oklahoma. $5,000 for the kids locked into a closet by Turkish teacher (after all it was a cultural difference) Free trips to Turkey for politicians, students, etc. Turkish language taught at night and in the schools, "Turkish is the language of Love and Peace."
8. Business as usual : Continually apply for more grants, loans and open more schools at a rapid pace. Surely no one will notice (strategic ambiguity) rob grants from Walton Family Foundation and Gates Foundation to pay for payroll, and other non-allowable expenses. Audits come and go - dodge more bullets with attorneys. It is all a misunderstanding, we are another culture. We didn't understand that we cannot use American Tax dollars for HB-1 Visas, Turkish trips, etc, after all we teach Turkish Character in the schools.
9. Soft Core Denialism: Schools are admitting to ties to the Gulen Movement - "We may have teachers that are Gulen followers but we don't teach religion." "We cannot prevent our teachers from being Gulen followers." or Gulen "inspired" school. Be honest: you are all known Gulen members, with ties to each other in the USA and in Turkey.
10. Playing Victim: "Mean Americans don't understand Muslims, you are being unfair and racist (Turkish is not a race but an Ethnicity)" "Why do American people hate us and have so many prejudices toward us?" "We are victims of American ignorance." "All these articles and documentation are untrue." "Gulen is promoting peace and tolerance -Americans promote lies and hatred." "We will sue you"
Maria Stinson
Gaia is my Turkish name
Maria is my American and middle name
So what is Jonathonad?
is that William Pack of lies many alias?
Your name is Gitano? Hasan? Mustafa? Murat?
Read all the lawsuits and weep.
Maria Stinson
Keep dreaming of never never land that we are the same poster
go ahead and think it, that is fine by us
the less you know what is coming at you the better. there is no way all of the Gulen oppostion is one person that is laughable - there is WAY too much oppostion to that clown who professes to be an Imam.
Read some of Ex-FBI Turkish Translator turned whistlelower (Sibel Edmonds) comments and testimony about Gulen.
Oh yes go ahead and believe your fantasy that it is one person. ha ha
When you look over your shoulder you will never know what to find.
William Pack
Yolanda Stimson
Bill Thacker
Lauren Alexander
Kavrama Prima
Sophie Cadger
Bantam T.
Maria Stinson
Elif @ USA Today
How about those names Gaia? By the way I AM SUSPICIOUS ABOUT EVERYTHING RELATED TO YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT GUISES UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES. BE HONEST. OTHERWISE YOUR KEMALIST BROTHERS WILL WEEP FOR YOUR MISTAKES.
I am just William my friend. Bond James Bond.. Sorry Pack William Pack, but you can call me Willy. Oki doki?
I need to find out the correct version of your Turkish name, because Gaia doesn't look Turkish although I have no idea about Ozcun. I will find a Turk and ask him/her.
I already swore that I am not jonathan something that you saw on USA Today.
BE HONEST NEXT TIME OK? IT IS NOT GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH! LYING CAN HARM SOMEONE'S HEALTH! THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE CONSTANTLY DOING
LAST BUT NOT LEAST... ON YOUR COMPUTER Ctrl+c and ctrl+v combination is very depreciated I guess, because you are constantly doing copy paste stuff from your bogus websites.
Bye sweetie with many names and faces :)
Maria Stinson
Daisy Early Learning Center. Profit center run on non-profit charter school, shame shame.
here is another lawsuit. Geez they pop up all over. Can't you Gulen boys play it honest?
the $150.00 week fee can be written off as a tax deduction? Since day care is "for profit" and the charters are "non-profit"(wink-wink) I think there is funny business here using the day care as a profit center. It is still suspect that a lawyer from Turkey would be the "director of this pre-school"
http://daisyearlylearning.org/DELA/Staff/tabid/88/Default.aspx
Case number: CV08-12817
Plaintiff: Arizona Department of Health Services.
Defendant: Daisy Education Corp., dba Sonoran Science Academy - Phoenix.
Nature of complaint: Unlicensed child care facility.
Attorney for plaintiff: Donald P. Schmid.
Maria Stinson
Merhaba;
1 name and 1 face me
you on the other hand are so obvious it is regular topic among us. Your posts are obvious and your names are hysterically funny. Your undying devotion to Gulen is almost obsessive but amusing.
Gulen doesn't care two shakes about you. You are nothing in his $25 billion empire. America will have their hands on it soon enough.
Give it up or go back to Turkiye. I am American and we don't want Gulen here, and the nationalists in Turkiye don't want him either.
No secret why Gulen NEVER LEAVES his 40 acre compound.
So William Pack of lies aka Jonathonad have you even been allowed to meet Fetosh?
Give baba gulen my love. But it is a known fact, he doesn't care for woman. only men.
Maria Stinson
P.S.
Gulen is from Kurdish extraction, his old town erzeum this is easily validated. today it is about 70% Kurdish.
Gulen has the last laugh on you.
Maria Stinson
Here is one of Gulen's famous rants. For more comedy of baba Gulen go to UTube the ones where he is crying hysterically are the funniest, crying and wailing. Such a girly man;
"You must move in the arteries of the system, without anyone noticing your existence, until you reach all the power centers… until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria… like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete, and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it… You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey… Until that time, any step taken would be too early - like breaking an egg without waiting the full 40 days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all - in confidence… trusting your loyalty and sensitivity to secrecy. I know that when you leave here - [just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and feelings expressed here."
F. Gulen
Maria Stinson
Harmony say "good bye" the days are ending, no more free flowing money from Uncle Sam to support a foreign entity that arrogantly thinks they know how to educate American children.
The teachers are fed up and leaving in droves, even in a horrid economy they are leaving. Or they are fired by one of the brothers, but NEVER A FELLOW HIZMET.
visa fraud is such a terrible thing.
Sotosh Otosh
I'm a unemployed tax preparer so I thought I'd spend some time looking at tax returns for the Cosmos Foundation/Harmony schools. Things look weird and I don't feel good about what I found.
My background checking shows that lots of the people have connections to the same places. They might say they're representing Turkey but I think they're all in that Gulen movement.
Here's what I found about the people on the tax forms. Google makes it really easy.
-Burhanettin Kuruscu got an award from the Raindrop Turkish House.
-Cengizhan Keskin participated in Institute of Interfaith Dialog talk when he was a student in Tulsa
-Cocksun Cetinkaya gave a speech about Gulen in Kansas in 2007.
-Gokturk Tunc is president of the Raindrop Foundation and is on the board of Institute of Interfaith Dialog – Houston, too.
-There's a picture of Oner Ulvi Celepicikay with Ali R. Candil (president of the Gulen Institute, president of Raindrop Turkish House) in 2010 when they're meeting with some Chinese counsel people.
-Yetkin Yildirim has been VP of Institute of Interfaith Dialog.
-Kudbettin Aksoy was thanked by Yuksel A. Aslandogan (president of Institute of Interfaith Dialog) in Aslandogan’s his book about Gulen.
-Ibrahim Sel wrote for Fountain magazine.
-Mehmet Okumus is president of a Raindrop Turkish House
-Ozgur Ozer wrote for Fountain magazine.
Too many strange coincidences. Why are these people running all these charter schools? The weird thing is that a bunch of them are running the Texas Gulf Institute, too. http://www.tgicareer.com/catalog_2010.pdf
To me it looks like the FBI should step in. There's no way these people should be given U.S. government money for public schools.
Bill Thacker
Holy Cow!! I opened my email box and looks as if the board has been very active.
sorry to say Sweet Willy, but I am the one and only. Not to mention it would be odd for a Turkish man to have an English Sir name.
Sotosh I have also seen the 990 tax returns for these schools and I too am very quite quite alarmed. Do me favor and look at Sonoran Science Academy in Arizona. That one alone is enough raise big red flags and since you look deeper than I can I would really like to know your opinion on this one.
As for the lady who said she was going to look up names and embarrass us. Go ahead you will not like my rebuttle and you will not be doing one any favors. ESP. Teachers.
But that is a simple Gulen Tactic. Dig deep and blackmail, embarrass and discredit anyone who gets in the way. Stoop down to infantile personal attacks. The only problem you Guleneers don't understand about Americans. Those tactics do not work because you cannot shame the shameless. I laready said it before , take me to court please!!!!!!
Sue me !!! I am single father who lost everything including his home thanks to G Bush, and Obama and failing economy. I was selling blood to buy food and to keep the lights on for my daughter. What the hell do you think you are going out of me?? Is there really a company that pays 20,000 a month to stop Gulen? Tell me lady who are they so I can send a resume. I have been doing this with the passion from my heart imagine what I could do proffessional resources and a paycheck.
This country is at over 12% unemployment, the Turks and various other companies are using HB-1 Visa to our own citizens unemployed. Not to mention other visa programs where the government subsidises there paychecks with our tax dollars. How does it feel to have your own government turn against you as a citizen of this country and a life ling tax payer? Even lower than slime your children as an instrament to create unemployed teachers and the mask of They are getting better grades. Which is a lot of hog wash. They are NOT!! and there is no proof other than a few testimonials which can be fabricted.
William Pack
Yolanda Stimson
Bill Thacker
Lauren Alexander
Kavrama Prima
Sophie Cadger
Bantam T.
Maria Stinson
Otosh Kotosh
Elif@ USA Today
Gaia Ozcun
I know you are all the same. Don't bother yourself to pretend you are a different personality. You are all the same old .... (you know the rest very well)
Stop throwing mud on other people AND STOP BOMBARDING HERE SO THAT MY BURNING QUESTIONS AND FINDINGS BECOME INVISIBLE!!
Write "Gaia Ozcun" in Google and see the result with your own eyes.
She is RACIST AND FASCIST Turkish. She hates all the Turks and she doesn't even know the founing year of Turkish Republic.
She says 1924 although I learned in Wikipedia it is 1923. She gives the same old accusations.
Look at the writings of teachers here not the bogus stuff. Look what Maria Stinson (aka Yolanda Stimson, Gaia Ozcun, Kavrama, Bill Thacker and co.) wrote a couple of posts ago:
"Our Kemalist BROTHERS ARE WORKING HARD"
Who are your Kemalist brothers and why are you so proud of them? Although this person is lady, she is proud of her brothers which means she is the only sister or she is also a male.
William Pack
Again. Don't be fooled America....
ALL THESE NICKNAMES BELOW ACTUALLY BELONG TO THE VERY SAME PERSON
THEY ARE JUST DOING BLACK PROPAGANDA
Yolanda Stimson
Bill Thacker
Lauren Alexander
Kavrama Prima
Sophie Cadger
Bantam T.
Maria Stinson
Otosh Kotosh
JUST TAKE A LOOK AT MY FIRST CLAIMS ON THIS PAGE. I WAS SAYING THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE TURK AND THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.
NOW SHE IS TRYING TO LOG IN WITH DIFFERENT NAMES...
SHE HAS ALREADY CONFESSED...
William Pack
ONE MORE THING MARIA, BILL AND OTHERS...
1) IF YOU ARE RIGHT IN YOUR ACCUSATIONS, THE CURSE OF GOD WILL BE ON ME.
2) IF YOU ARE WRONG IN YOUR ACCUSATIONS, THE CURSE OF GOD WILL BE ON YOU...
IS THAT OK?
I AM SAYING 1000 TIMES THAT THIS TEXAS TRIBUNE ARTICLE IS SOMETHING THAT REFLECTS THE TRUTH.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE BALLS AND GUTS TO FACE ME AND ANSWER ALL MY BURNING QUESTIONS?
William Pack
Yolanda Stimson vs Maria Stinson...
Can this be coincidence? This person is using so many fake names that she was also confused and forgot to change the last name of her fake name.
She is so absurd that she constantly SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT GULEN.
Did I defend or support Gulen here? NOT EVEN ONCE...
What I am saying as an American if he is guilty the authorities will give his due. That is it...
I AM NOT HIS ADVOCATE. I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT HIM. WHAT I AM CARING IS THE DIVERSITY IN EDUCATION AND HARMONY SCHOOLS ARE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB.
EVEN THESE SCHOOLS BELONG TO THE SATAN, AS LONG AS THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL AND RAISE CARING CITIZENS, THEN EVEN THE PRESIDENT CANNOT SAY ANYTHING.
THEY OPENED EIGHT NEW CAMPUSES THIS YEAR. CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T GET ANY CONSTRUCTION MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. SO, YOUR TAX PAYERS MONEY GOES TO OPENING OF BRAND-NEW AND STATE-OF-THE-ART CAMPUSES.
Now shut up and respect what people have accomplished so far.
William Pack
We have read the testimonials of the teachers but it looks like those "Kemalist Brothers" (this term is coined by Maria Stinson) just ignore the happy teachers.
Cry baby cry. You will cry more.
I also support KIPP, YES and UPLIFT Charter Schools. Not just Harmony.
If any charter school is successful, my vote goes in there.
Maria Stinson
William you must take your meds, you are making wild claims. more of the Hizmet paranoia and conspiracy theories. You are part of Hizmet and the reason I know this is you are obsessed with answering people 24/7 all over the Internet. Your word usuage is the same all the time. The answering of questions, then re answering the same question over to litter the page with confusion that doesn't work.
Ok? We have no problem figuring this out. But you are incorrect, at least about me. I have 1 screen name here and it is Maria Stinson my married name. I am not the hindu sounding name either so calm down. I am not Yolanda, think about it...if I was going to make up a name I wouldn't do one SO CLOSE to that person's last name. My birth name is Gaia Maria Ozcun, my mother is a Pamuk. I do know some of these people we are in contact frequently and we live across the USA. It is a large group of people that are concerned about Fethullah Gulen and the Gulen Movement. We do not want our money supporting The Gulen Movement in the USA or in Turkiye. While our children are being robbed of a good education.
If you have to work this hard to defend the reputation and honor of Gulen it is so not worth it, nor is all the lying. Just be truthful about the schools affliations and Americans would be more understanding. It is the constant lies and sidestepping as you do that make the Americans dig deeper into the Gulen foundation networks and other businesses.
As far as the "curse of God on anyone" you mean Allah don't you? And the curse of Allah is not on me as I have not stolen and money laundered money under the guise of education. I have not flown people to Turkey for free or bribed politicians, blackmailed people in Turkiye, lied about test exams and advertised schools as something they are not. I have not stolen American tax money intended for Education to fund the foundations and lobbying in Washington.
this article is an advertising piece, it is not a piece of journalism it is from 1 point of view that is biased. It is from the point of the school who may have paid for this article.
William there are problems with Hizmet, they failed with the American model. Americans are different than the other countries that have Gulen's schools (which are usually private) you cannot take American money and not be accountable.
You cannot assume that your brothers know how to teach American children, the brothers that are comming over - barely speak good English. They have no business teaching American kids our culture, our language, our songs, our dances and expect them to embrace this at these Turkish Olympiads that are paid for with their money.
No one curses anyone, but Gulen is strange very strange. He is not someone you should be worshipping. I heard he always disliked women in Turkey, strange very strange.
Gulen has a plan, and it is much more than William Pack or Jonathanad, you are nothing to Fetosh and his $25 billion empire. Nothing at all but a little PATSY, look this up if you don't know American slang.
Bill Thacker
william please....stop drinking the bong water and put your crack pipe down and step away from the computer. Those in Arizona know who I am and by now have become a house hold name in the SSA community. Really they should hold those accountable. In Utah everyone knows Kelly Wayment, in Ohio we all know Mary Addi and of course in Texas we know the West Texas Patriots. Stop embarrassing yourself and making such accusations that we are all one in the same. Why is it so hard for you to beleive that many other people can step up and voice there opinions? If anything your claims paranoid and dillisional. In fact you are losing this discussion and debate and you cannot stand it. It also makes people think your website that you do want to support more weak and even less credulious. Beleive me I would love to live in a utopian society where every one is good and honest and always tells the truth. I gave the chance and got burned and found out everything was a lie. Sometimes once in while you do have have to stand up and fight and not turning the other cheek as the good book says to do. There are limits. I have turned away from so many fights this is one I plan on taking to the bitter end. So william you in are out ? You wanna put your dog in this fight? These schools are going to close and Gulen will pack his bags and go. Since when do we as a nation protect crimanals from other countries on our own soil? The American people need to in one loud voice GO HOME!! we are not responcible for your welfare. It is our country not the politicians. Get it? Why are we importing more foriegnors on our tax dollars to this country when we cannot support own? Arizona is taking the first step in blocking illegal immagration now it is up to the country to stop legal immagration. Enough is enough. The country is settled, the Westward expansion is done. The oregon trial has been replaced with a freeway. Now you expect us to change our culture our laws and our way doing things because of a piss ant-cult? Using our tax dollars to dress up our kids in Turkish Gypsie costumes to speak, act out plays and recite poetry when in the eighties doing Thanksgiving plays was insulting to the Native Americans? Reconsoder Columbus Day and what it really means yet we invite them( Gulenists ) in? No thank you Custard we have all ready seen this scenario it didn't play well. How many Native American children were sent to be re educated? How many displaced from families? How many had to cut there hair because it was fashioable and civilized? Now lets bump to the 40's. What was the beginning of the Hitler Youth? Home visits by educators. Uniforms. Pressing Culture. Giving children a sence of belonging and uniqueness. All along giving high marks just to win over parents and students with something as simple as a grade and a sence of getting something for nothing. When this is something , we as a nation should have been giving all along. These schools are a wake up call. Let them be and be taken over or wake up and do it our selves and get back to being number one again. Its our choice.
Maria Stinson
EVEN THESE SCHOOLS BELONG TO THE SATAN, AS LONG AS THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL AND RAISE CARING CITIZENS, THEN EVEN THE PRESIDENT CANNOT SAY ANYTHING. William you cannot possible mean this? be logical here and not possessed by this Gulen cult. They are not successful and are not "raising caring citizens" the drop out rate is very high at Harmony 70% of the kids stay 1-3 years. Yes the President can say something, so can citizens, so can the school district, so can parents, so can teachers.............and we have. You error in your thinking you have more power than we do.
THEY OPENED EIGHT NEW CAMPUSES THIS YEAR. CHARTER SCHOOLS DON'T GET ANY CONSTRUCTION MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT. SO, YOUR TAX PAYERS MONEY GOES TO OPENING OF BRAND-NEW AND STATE-OF-THE-ART CAMPUSES.
Where did you hear this pack of lies at? Charter schools get tax money, building fund grants, and other money from the federal government for construction. in Texas they use TURKISH CONTRACTORS to launder the money back and forth. EGE construction and others. Harmony has also used our money to open "for profit" pre-schools called Blue Bonnet which are nothing more than profit centers baby sitting facilities. Teaching Turkish to 1-3 year olds (brainwashing starts early)
Now shut up and respect what people have accomplished so far.
You tell us to respect then tell us to "shut up" ? I think you do need to take your meds. And further more they have accomplished nothing except for getting farther into debt and losing funding from Gates foundation and losing out on the Oprah money. Harmony depends on the State / Federal reimbursement money that is paid on a per student / head basis per year. This is why they advertise like a french maid on crack.......to get more naive parents /students into the school that buy into Harmony being some kind of European elite academy -NOT!!! taught by scholars- NOT!!!
i WILL POST PEYTON WOLCOTT'S INFORMATION ABOUT HARMONY AND IT HAS ACTUAL COPIES OF THE 990 FORMS FROM COSMOS WITH THE ENTRY OF MONEY PAID TO THE TURKISH CONTRACTORS.
now really William Pack aka Jonathonad, you must get some sleep. We are not coming for your tomorrow and closing down the schools it will be a process but I do promise you it is coming. America will not let you continue the lies.
Maria Stinson
http://peytonwolcott.com/Charters_Cosmos.html
This is peyton wolcott's investigation of harmony schools.
It has the section on Cosmos's 990 iRS form showing how they paid MILLIONS of our tax
dollars to EGE and other other Turkish contractors.
It also talks about Dr. Soner Tarim's lack of Educational licensing and his non-responsiveness to questions. Dr. Tarim is not qualified to be a superintendent., he is qualified to be a member of Gulen's Hizmet and that is it.
Dr. Tarim, lets depose you and have you give a statement under oath about the schools. Then we can all move on, nothing to hide? you should have no problems.
It seems sidestepping is a favorite pastime of William Pack of lies, Jonathonad, Dr. Tarim and the Gulen Cult.
See you at the next audit. Until then....
everyone do your research google "charter school fraud" "gulen charter school" "Turkish charter school" and "Gulen vs. US Homeland Security"
Maria Stinson
Sotosh, that was a good posting
and don't think for a moment the FBI, CIA and Homeland Security are not watching and monitoring Gulen.
No doubt they have their own people inflitrated within his groups, maybe even teaching at some of the schools.
Nevertheless that is good information, but then it is so easy to connect the affliation of the schools together and the brothers to one another and to Gulen's many foundations and other businesses. They fool no one. Parents catch on after awhile.
William Pack
Dear Maria, Bill and co. which is actually the same…
1) First of all you are the one who are always on the internet and when I was absent for 4 hours, you have bombarded here with your nonsense bogus stuff. There were at least five-six answers.
2) Now answer my questions: Why did you lie to me when I first claimed that you are Turkish? I still believe you are the very same person. Because all your claims are the same. The language you use, the nicknames you take are so funny and resembling.
3) I am doing my research on your “Kemalist Brothers”. Why are you so angry with Gulen?
4) Are you idiot? Of course I will give you the same answers, because I have only one personality. Do I need to change my grammar and writing style each and every time I write to you?
5) Are you talking about this stupid West Texas Patriots group: Take a look at this footage: http://www.harmonyparent.com/charterschools/see-how-informed-the-people-attacking-harmony-are/
6) Don’t worry, I am coming across with some striking facts about your Kemalist and Nationalist brothers. NOW EVERYONE LISTEN UP. THOSE GUYS ARE ATTACKING CHARTER SCHOOLS AND SOMETIMES THEY ATTACK GULEN BECAUSE THERE IS A SERIOUS CASE GOING ON IN TURKEY RIGHT NOW.
7) AS I DEEPENED MY RESEARCH I SAW SOME THINGS THAT ARE REALLY DREADFUL, HORRIFIC..
I AM PETRIFIED! NOW CHECK THIS OUT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_%28organization%29
A SMALL SUMMARY… taken from the article…
Ergenekon is the name given to an alleged clandestine, ultra-nationalist organization in Turkey with ties to members of the country's military and security forces. The group, named after Ergenekon, a mythical place located in the inaccessible valleys of the Altay Mountains, is accused of terrorism in Turkey.
Its agenda has variously been described as Eurasianist, and isolationist. The defendants portray themselves as defenders of secularism, and national sovereignty. According to the indictment, the group's claim to legitimacy is that it allegedly protects national interests, which the defendants believe are incompatible with the rule of the democratically elected government of Justice and Development Party and are harmed by Turkey's alleged concessions to the West.In Turkey, the extensions of the state—the establishment—that are considered responsible for this are referred to as the "deep state". The existence of the "deep state" was affirmed in Turkish opinion after the Susurluk scandal in 1996. Alleged members have been indicted on charges of plotting to foment unrest, among other things by assassinating intellectuals, politicians, judges, military staff, and religious leaders, with the ultimate goal of toppling the incumbent government in a coup that was planned to take place in 2009.This follows allegations published in Nokta that several abortive coups with the same intent were planned a few years ago. The proximate motive behind these false flag activities is said to be to discredit the incumbent Justice and Development Party and derail Turkey's accession process to the European Union.
Turkey has already been through four "successful" military coups since democratic elections were first held in 1950. At the first coup d'état in 1960, the junta executed the first democratically elected Prime Minister of the country, Adnan Menderes and two of his ministers. There were more coups in 1971, in 1980 and in 1997, with additional numerous attempted "un-successful" coups all through these years.
Ergenekon's modus operandi has been compared to Operation Gladio's Turkish branch, the Counter-Guerrilla. It has been said that the people who constitute the "deep state" are members of, or make use of, this covert organization, which was established at the beginning of the Cold War to contain communism. Furthermore, Ergenekon is allegedly a derivative of the Counter-Guerrilla.
Over a hundred people, including several generals, party officials, and a former secretary general of the National Security Council, have been detained or questioned since July 2008. Hearings began on 20 October 2008, and are expected to continue for over a year.
Commentators in the Turkish press have called Ergenekon "the case of the century".
WOOOW… NOW SOME THINGS ARE TICKING AGAIN! THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ATTACKING OTHERS, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO GET RID OF THIS SERIOUS CASE….
William Pack
Yolanda Stimson
Bill Thacker
Lauren Alexander
Kavrama Prima
Sophie Cadger
Bantam T.
Maria Stinson
Otosh Kotosh
and their motto: "Our Kemalist BROTHERS ARE WORKING HARD"
WHY? LET'S DIG IT DEEP....
http://ergenekonisourreality.wordpress.com/
In this paper, we wish to question the vast misinformation related to the Ergenekon case and “cross-examine” the mindset and its arguments, which have already made their way to Western press organs. For that purpose, as the Young Civilians and the Human Rights Agenda Association, we held a two-day workshop in ?stanbul on April 10-11, 2010, during which all claims put forward by opponents of the Ergenekon case were discussed thoroughly by Turkey’s leading rights advocates, intellectuals, jurists and civil society representatives as “hypotheses.” Participants of the workshop
from various points along the political spectrum — who are better known for their perspective of non-discriminative human rights and sensitivity to democracy –sought answers to the claims. No matter whether they were put forward as a result of misinformation or if they are intended to protect the right of Ergenekon suspects to a fair trial, all main claims were individually discussed, independent of the persons who put them forward. Nearly 50 participants of the workshop responded to claims frequently expressed by opponents of the Ergenekon case and investigation. The findings of the paper were enriched with the views of esteemed human rights advocates and intellectuals, who unfortunately were not in attendance at the workshop.
We owe thanks to everyone whose names are included in the Workshop Participants and Contributors list and were victimized or lost their lives on the path of Turkey’s long and bitter adventure to democracy.
Regards,
William Pack
This PDF file should be reminded those attackers each and every time.
When I got the chance, I will read it fully, because right now I am digging deep in my research about their motto: "Our Kemalist BROTHERS ARE WORKING HARD"
Let's take a look at 68-page PDF file and why those people are attacking on people:
http://ergenekonisourreality.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/ergenekonisourreality-final.pdf
MORE TO COME.....
Maria Stinson
Maria is Bill Thacker?
Keep dreaming William.
By the way Bill how is the weather up near Canada?
I think you are wrong about William Pack, he doesn't smoke crack. He is just possessed by the Gulen Cult. He is being used and abused and working overtime trying to figure out who we really are?
William read one of my first posts/ earlier today was the first time I joined this periodical because someone e mailed me and told me you were getting out of hand again and needed a Turkish woman to slap some sense into you. Even though the boys don't like woman too much I hope you at least listen and look at the cult for what it really is.
My earlier post told you who some of us are and where (what states) and what our backgrounds are. I certainly don't know everyone in the USA that is telling the truth about Gulen, we will expose your group for what you are.
The more you lie, the more we tell the truth.
William Pack
Yolanda Stimson
Bill Thacker
Lauren Alexander
Kavrama Prima
Sophie Cadger
Bantam T.
Maria Stinson
Otosh Kotosh
"Our Kemalist BROTHERS ARE WORKING HARD" (uttered by Maria Stinson aka Gaia Ozcun today)
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE WORKING SO HARD!! NO WONDER...
Hey Geisha oops sorry Gaia... Now ask your BIG KEMALIST BROTHERS WHAT IS NEXT... THEY ARE WORKING HARD right..
THEY ARE ALL TOGETHER and I am all alone here. Nobody helps me.
Now ask your huge and mighty "terrorist" organization save the day!
Maria Stinson
Careful William you are getting very paranoid you think we are all ergenekon (investigation in Turkey)
Lets just say....................go ahead and believe what you want. but I did tell you what walk of life we all come from (that I know)
I am sure the ergenekon has already inflitrated poconos
Well now, I guess we finally have confirmed you are part of Hizmet and the Gulen Cult since your biggest threat on earth is Ergenekon. Don't worry we will go easy on you...it is the Americans you have to worry about. They will be nasty and mean.
William Pack
You can make a good storyteller, believe me...
Maria Stinson and Yolanda Stimson... THOSE ARE JUST COINCIDENTAL NAMES RIGHT?
BTW I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
I GUESS SOMEBODY IS GIVING THIS DUTY TO YOU TO DEFEND YOUR BIG BROTHERS WHO ARE SO HELPLESS THAT THEY NEED YOU!
WELL, THINK ABOUT THE REST OF THE GROUP...
YOU STILL CLAIM THAT AN AMERICAN BELONGS TO GULEN CULT :) HA HA HA.. KEEP DREAMING MY SWEETIE...
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.. YOU NEED TO BE WITH YOUR HUSBAND NOT WITH ME!!!!
William Pack
SOMEBODY TOLD YOU THAT I AM GOING OUT OF CONTROL, RIGHT? HA HA HA..
I AM JUST SLAPPING IN YOUR FACE EACH TIME YOU DIRTIED THE CYBERSPACE..
SO FAR NOONE HAS ANSWERED YOU AND WHEN YOU HAVE COME ACROSS A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK, YOU NEED TO KEEP HIM UNDER CONTROL, RIGHT?
BY THE WAY I WILL NEVER FORGET YOUR TERRORIST ORGANIZATION'S MOTTO..
"Our Kemalist BROTHERS ARE WORKING HARD" (Uttered by Maria Stinson today)
WHO ARE THOSE KEMALISTS? PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING INVESTIGATED WITHIN THE FRAME OF ERGENEKON TRIAL.
KEEP DREAMING SWEETIE...