Texas Planned Parenthood Clinics Bracing for Komen Cuts
Susan G. Komen for the Cure's decision to stop funding Planned Parenthood — which has performed breast cancer screenings and mammograms with Komen grants for the last five years — is hitting home for clinics in Dallas, Austin and Waco.
Planned Parenthood of the Texas Capital Region reports that its six-year partnership with Dallas-based Komen has performed 720 clinical breast exams and risk assessments for poor women under the age of 40. Over the last three years, the North Texas Planned Parenthood chapter in Dallas has used Komen dollars to provide about 580 mammograms to poor women. And in Waco, Planned ...
Comments (50)
Arin Seventwentyone via Texas Tribune on Facebook
want to get planned parenthood more funding? go here: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ donate. it's easy.
Alexandra Bonifield via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Sucks big-time for poor women.
Mike C. Miller via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Everything sucks in Texas if you're poor. And it gets worse each day that a Republican is in office.
I'm always amazed that as much as they talk about Christian values, that their copies of the Bible always seems to be missing the parts about poverty and the poor.
"Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."
Matthew 25:40 (King James Version, of course).
Rafael Rodriguez via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Make your donation to Planned Parenthood and do it as an "honorary gift", requesting that a card be sent to: Karen Handel Senior VP of Fail c/o Susan G. Komen Foundation P.O. Box 650309 Dallas, TX 75265- Even if you could only give a $5 plus postage, funds would go where they were needed and a much more valuable message would be sent directly to the idiots at Komen.
Derick Smith via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Please recommend an alternative charity for Cancer research for those of us that will never donate to Komen Kunts.
Duane Florschuetz via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Very unfortunate for all women, especially low income women.
Bambi Clark via Texas Tribune on Facebook
This move by Komen will hopefully wake more women up to the female GOP attack on our rights. Breast cancer is NOT pro-life or choice. It chooses at random (I live it). Breast cancer screenings for poor women should have never been made political.
Virginia Marie Raymond via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Right. Like women are a collection of body parts. Grrrr. Breast health. Reproductive health. Totally separate. WTF.
texasgal
Women can receive free breast exams and screening at any government health clinic for free. Planned Parenthood clinics are not the only ones who do the free exams..
Debbie Spencer via Texas Tribune on Facebook
They need to admit they've become a super pak and lose their not for profit status. No more walks, no more pink. The republicans need to leave women's rights alone. They especially need to take into account that southern women, when they've finally had enough, fight back with a vengeance. Never forget, the hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world. I'd say right now there are a lot of women thinking that the view from the back seat is rather boring.
Burton C. Turner via Texas Tribune on Facebook
Nothing from me for Komen anymore, so dumb. This kind of activity makes all of us with brains angry and so disappointed.
Billie Veach via Texas Tribune on Facebook
And Thanh Tan, do you have someone in mind that will pay for it ? you do not expect Rick Perry to agree do you..When
Dale Curry
And the Tparty lies and Republican disinformation war on women marches on. At least those of us who have supported Komen before know where they stand......They would prefer to play politics than fight cancer. I will be making and supporting the American Cancer Society over this collection of right wing liars.
JC DemocratofTejas
Komen caves to right-wing extremist as Brinker panders to her buddies. If I donate anything to anyone this year it is going to be Planned Parenthood! I already know of lawyers who will refuse to donate to Komen...and they have donated for years in the past. Very bad move...bad PR. Another Texan makes Texas look bad in the eyes of the world. At what cost!
JC DemocratofTejas
A huge thank you to Rafael Rodriguez for this excellent information! Bravo.
K C
Maybe the Komen Foundation was tired and wanted to disband - they could not have self destructed any more effectively.
Mac Mcclure via Texas Tribune on Facebook
All you have to do is "Google" "free mammograms" and you will find locations not associated with Planned Parenthood offering free mammograms for the poor. You people think Planned Parenthood is the only place to get a free mammogram are mistaken. If you want to give to Planned Parenthood go right ahead, I just don't want to give money for breast cancer research and have it go to kill children in the womb recommended by Planned Parenthood. Glad the Komen group saw the light.
Lee Crites
I am baffled at the comments blaming/slamming/denigrating Komen for this. I will say up front that I do not particularly like the Komen organization, and choose to contribute to others, instead. But that is for personal reasons that have nothing to do with this story.
Komen has the same responsibility to their contributors as every other organization to ensure the funds donated to them are not being sent to organizations which are dubious or otherwise syphoning off those funds for illegal or otherwise unintended programs. If you don't think this is a VERY good idea, nothing else anyone could say matters because there's not enough intellect at work for a meaningful discussion to continue.
Planned Parenthood is under federal investigation. Like it or not, that is the reality. They have been accused of using funds given them by the government for X to do Y. That happens to be a serious federal offense -- and everyone involved knows that. It is not Komen's fault; it is not the GOP's fault; it is not the "nasty republicans" fault -- it is Planned Parenthood's fault.
Furthermore, this move has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of an "attack on breast cancer" -- even the very act of implying it does is ludicrous! It is nowhere even remotely close to an attack on "women's health" or "women's rights." It is a move against an organization that is accused of misappropriating the government funds they have received. It is problems with decisions made by a corporation receiving public funds to do things with those public funds which are against the law and the stipulations under which those funds were given them.
Put the blame where the blame belongs.
When (and if) Planned Parenthood get's their house in order, then they can start asking for federal funding again, and organizations like Komen can start to reconsider them again. Until then, blaming *anyone* but PP for this situation is disengenuous, at best.
Dale Curry
@ Lee- While I can appreciate some of your points, there is inherent in your post the misrepresentation that is the hallmark of the Tparty GOP. The GOP/Tparty have targeted the Planned Parenthood in an unrelenting campaign of lies and misinformation that has stretched all across this great nation right to the Senate floor. One lie after another. Based upon this campaign of deception the Tparty GOP have launched another public financed campaign/witch hunt; using all the dirty tricks and lies they learned during the Clinton impeachment trial. While you can choose to hide behind the lies and rhetoric that has initiated this witch hunt, I and several others here will not play that game. And while you might feel that this witch hunt is justified, we all know that it is nothing more than GOP/Tparty rhetoric driving this inquisition. This campaign is nothing more than the GOP/Tparty liars trying to frame the next election all the while wasting tax payer dollars in their never ending game of politics at the expense of poor women. Thank you for your comments, but I am afraid that I no longer buy this load of crap.
Lee Crites
@Dale:
I can see what you are saying. However, I am neither a member of the tea-party nor republicrat party. When I watch the GOP and the tea-party at work, I see two separate organizations that have a very difficult time agreeing on even substantive points, much less trivial things. So I find it quite difficult to see how the two of them are involved in some type of conspiracy of misinformation like this. They just don't get along that well.
Something is wrong with PP. That much is plain to see. What it is might be up for discussion, and how pervasive (or perverse) it is might be up for debate.
But one question I have with your assessment is this: what good would it do the tea-party/GOP conspiracy (as you see it) to slam PP into a federal court system which does not support either group? What could they possibly gain by doing this?
As an "outsider" to both the tea-party and GOP, I can see no logical explanation that supports a conspiracy like this with goals like this.
I'm not asking you to buy a load of crap, I'm asking you to QUIT buying a load of crap. You see, my friend, you ARE playing the game. Your game is demonizing and blaming two organizations who are representing their respective supporters who happen to have attitudes that do not agree with yours. (Mine is irrelevant -- I'm not in either of your camps.)
Demonizing and ad-homium attacks (which are the bulk of the comments in this and similar blogs) do not further the cause -- they just cause more knee-jerk reactions. People in the middle watch both sides, shake their heads and wonder if anyone involved in the discussions has any sense at all.
The majority of the people in this country are moderate/middle-of-the-road types. They (and I am one of them) watch both the pro-life and pro-choice/pro-abortion camps, and wonder what kind of mass brain damage caused those two groups to form in the first place. We look for reasoned commentary from either side, and find both totally wanting.
Furthermore, this is not an attack on "poor women." A quick google search and a few phone calls told me that my area has resources for poor women, irrespective of PP being in the area or not. Indeed, some of those resources are better, more comprehensive, and faster than what PP could/does offer. Continuing to attempt to recast this as such is you playing the same game you are demeaning the tea-party and GOP for playing.
The Tea Party and the GOP are not the enemy. The DNC is not the enemy. The Libertarian party is not the enemy. In our representative government built on top of a pluralistic political environment, they are absolute requirements. When the two sides top seeing each other as enemies, calling each other names, and constantly denigrating and castigating each other -- THEN is when real discussion can happen.
Until then, it's just a bunch of kids pointing fingers and calling names, wondering why the rest of the kids on the playground are looking at them like they've lost their minds.
Dale Curry
@ Lee - Thank you for your response. Despite your observations, I believe that most of the comments on this forum would likely agree that both the Tparty and GOP have launched a rhetoric driven campaign against women's reproductive rights. As a Board member of a regional health care provider, I can tell you that their coordinated efforts has not only been leveled at PP, but also, other organizations that fit their narrative. As to your observation that the Tparty and GOP are two separate organizations "that have a very difficult time agreeing on even substantive points, much less trivial things", frankly it smacks of disinformation. Clearly the Tparty has successfully framed the rhetoric for the GOP, and that those republicans who are moderate are increasingly being forced out by this fringe element. Frankly, for someone who is supposedly "outside" your comments fits handily into the rhetoric of the Tparty/GOP. How anyone could miss their aggressive attacks on healthcare, women' health issues, and medicaid and medicare is beyond me. Did you not see Sen. John Kyl knowingly lie about Planned Parenthood on the Senate floor?
If we truly want progress, it's not about one side calling the other names. Its about the GOP/Tparty who consistently misrepresent the truth, and engage in various disinformation campaigns e.g. death panels when there were none, weapons of mass destruction where there were none.
Anya Khan
I made my first donation to Komen in years. I wish they had never supported the abortion factory, but since the corrupt pp is being investigated, I'll take what comes.
V Marshall
I think perhaps this will be a boon to both organizations. I was set to violate my no charitable donations in the US rule for PP, but then I realized that with health care reform all well woman care will be covered by insurance even if you chose to get that care at PP. I read somewhere else that donations to Komen were up 100% and judging by the comments here, I'm sure that PP is experiencing the same. Of course anyone can say anything on the internet
JC DemocratofTejas
Anya Khan is an idiot. Take your hateful b.s. somewhere with people that are as ignorant as you. Planned Parenthood is over 40 years old. The good they have done is incredible. Perhaps you should invest your feebleness in studying someone like Mayor Bloomberg. And, remarkable that Planned Parenthood has received 1million in donations in 24 effing hours...more than komen and the repugs that run them have done in a year. komen's contributions to Planned Parenthood were appox. 1% of their annual donations. Get it? Doubtful. Crawl back into that hateful hole you came from!
JC DemocratofTejas
Anya Khan is an idiot. Take your hateful b.s. somewhere with people that are as ignorant as you. Planned Parenthood is over 40 years old. The good they have done is incredible. Perhaps you should invest your feebleness in studying someone like Mayor Bloomberg. And, remarkable that Planned Parenthood has received 1million in donations in 24 effing hours...more than komen and the repugs that run them have done in a year. komen's contributions to Planned Parenthood were appox. 1% of their annual donations. Get it? Doubtful. Crawl back into that hateful hole you came from!Anya Khan is an idiot. Take your hateful b.s. somewhere with people that are as ignorant as you. Planned Parenthood is over 40 years old. The good they have done is incredible. Perhaps you should invest your feebleness in studying someone like Mayor Bloomberg. And, remarkable that Planned Parenthood has received 1million in donations in 24 effing hours...more than komen and the repugs that run them have done in a year. komen's contributions to Planned Parenthood were appox. 1% of their annual donations. Get it? Doubtful. Crawl back into that hateful hole you came from!
Anya Khan is an idiot. Take your hateful b.s. somewhere with people that are as ignorant as you. Planned Parenthood is over 40 years old. The good they have done is incredible. Perhaps you should invest your feebleness in studying someone like Mayor Bloomberg. And, remarkable that Planned Parenthood has received 1million in donations in 24 effing hours...more than komen and the repugs that run them have done in a year. komen's contributions to Planned Parenthood were appox. 1% of their annual donations. Get it? Doubtful. Crawl back into that hateful hole you came from!
Anya Khan is an idiot. Take your hateful b.s. somewhere with people that are as ignorant as you. Planned Parenthood is over 40 years old. The good they have done is incredible. Perhaps you should invest your feebleness in studying someone like Mayor Bloomberg. And, remarkable that Planned Parenthood has received 1million in donations in 24 effing hours...more than komen and the repugs that run them have done in a year. komen's contributions to Planned Parenthood were appox. 1% of their annual donations. Get it? Doubtful. Crawl back into that hateful hole you came from!
ha 3 times and you are OUT...and your dollar donations.
JC DemocratofTejas
Lee dear...Bank of America, Penn State, etc. etc. etc. are under investigation for actions that are real, unlike the b.s. that Planned Parenthood is supposedly being investigated for. Why are they not treated similarly? Repugs. Any entity can be investigated, whether valid or pure vindictiveness. UT has also borne the brunt of Texas legislature bending over for politics and trying desperately to find a cause to "get behind." Wasting, as usual, Texas taxpayers money. WAKE UP. Why do fat, white men hate women so much? Perhaps their superiority frightens them. BOO.
JC DemocratofTejas
VD Marshall....and just when does this healthcare reform take place, to give women that need medical assistance coverage? Earth to VD. At the very earliest 2013. You are so misguided and gullible that I should probably not speak of you again. BTW...donations to Komen UP? Where do you get this b.s.? Their top health official resigned today because of their pandering to repugs. Planned Parenthood has received more donations in 24 hours, than komen gave them in a year. Take your made up dialog and place it where the sun don't shine. Bye bye.
Dale Curry
Interestingly, I have a very close friend of significant means. She has always given handsomely over the last few years, That's not happening now. She is currently debating whether to give all the Komen contributions to PP, or split it between PP and American Cancer. It is unfortunate Komen felt they needed to jump in and support this political witch hunt. It has done some excellent work, mainly because the Komen organization welcomed everyone. Their unfortunate decision will likely cost them, and more importantly breaks its base of support into two deeply divided camps. While on the other hand this is likely to allow PP to offset the state's funding. Planned Parenthood is a great organization. It deserves everything they receive and does not deserve the malicious lies and attacks from various ethically challenged groups and individuals.
I try to look at this as a good thing. Now I know where Komen stands, and now they know where I do as well.
V Marshall
@JC and/or Kitty
Please promise that you will "not speak of me again"
And I thought only 13 year girls had a gift for drama but look at you!
PS it is VG you might want to invest in a good pair of eyeglasses.
Sorry I don't buy into the whole GOP/DNC drama. I think the issues are too important for that. So while I remain firmly pro-choice, it has nothing to do with trying to 'win'
You perhaps should consider that dialog has consequences though. I doubt that Planned Parenthood would appreciate your lambasting someone who sat on the fence of donating especially when that person had made clear that she believes that the dialog in American politics had become so toxic that she had decided to make all her charitable donations outside the US.
Once again though you have made me grateful that my time in Texas is nearly over. What a closed minded group "y'all" are. I do thank you for that!
Anya Khan
JC , Get help you poor thing. When logic fails you don't have to go for a whiny vitriolic attack...Well rational people don't...you on the other may have less abilities than others? Was a bad fall that left you unable to discuss without insults? Bless you poor little heart
Dale Curry
@ Everyone - It can become very easy to attack someone when their comments are diametrically oppose to your views. Everyone of us feels strongly about these issues. And while it becomes quick and easy to fall into your partisan position, each of us are more than tired of the gridlock, bitter partisan battles, and inflamed rhetoric. Personally, I believe the instigation of this behavior lies with the GOP/Tparty rhetoric and intransigence to this administration's problems. As a group, they have shown a propensity to oppose their own proposals, even at the expense of hurting our nation. However, that is my view of it.
For things to change, first I must change. I know that I have not been as respectful of some opposing comments as I could have been. I have made a conscious effort this year to ensure that my posts, no matter how partisan, do not attack another person posting personally. Even when that person's post is hate filled bigotry and what I believe to be a deliberate falsehood in order to obscure their true position. It is difficult not to try to strike back when the opposing side is all too ready to implement a scorch earth policy. All of these arguments that seem to boil down to right vs. left, GOP vs Democrat vs libertarian obscure the true and underlying debate we should be having.......What type of country do we want to leave for our children? A nations whose problems are on exacerbated because of partisan paralysis and gridlock, or a nation that reflect the diversity of opinion and people that is our true source of strength. The argument should not be about "Obamacare", it should be as to whether our citizen's should have a right to healthcare and as to whether we are a nation of people that take care of the elderly and those less fortunate.
@ Anya Kahn - All that being said, it is important to get your facts correct. Perhaps you do believe that Planned Parenthood is an "abortion factory". However, if you looked at their annual report(s) and this Line of Business, you and Senator Kyle would realize that abortions account for less than 5% of their business. From our side of the debate, it is precisely tactics such as this, taking lie and making a ridiculous over the top statement that is designed to inflame the rhetoric that generally leads to a deterioration of debate into one personal attack after another. I understand your opposition to abortion. And while I strongly support a woman's right to choose, I would not be truthful if I did not admit that I have deep reservations about abortions. We could argue from now to the end of time about when life truly begins. I honestly do not know. However, even if life begins at conception; do you honestly believe you have the right or obligation to judge a woman who has an abortion? I do not.
That being said, it is important to get your fact right.
Russ Savage
I am fleeing CALIFORNIA because of intrusive liberal government policies. They are expensive, poorly run, and the WORST chameleons ever produced! Planned Parenthood, like ACORN, for all the 'good' they've done, have morphed into a money monster consuming tax dollars at an alarming rate. Breast exams can be done at free clinics or hospitals. As a side note to this story, like all other stories in politics, the issue at hand isn't unlike that of a weed being pulled but leaving the root behind. In other words, we're not actually addressing the problems! We're addressing the bi-product. Life, in my opinion, is management by objective, not deal with it as it comes...
gypsy314 ne
Why support the komen live for a cure if they support anti live for killing the unborn. The Komen figure it out in time someone woke up. Democrats will have to steal it from someone us Nancy P can ask here church for the help to kill the unborn. May god have mercy on the democrats that support killing the unborn.
We must all make sure Democrats pay in 2012 by sending them all home.
Dale Curry
@ Gypsy - You continue to spread lies and misrepresentations. Your rhetoric is inflammatory. Frankly, you comments are inherently inappropriate!
gypsy314 ne
Thank you Dale for your kind words and I know the truth hurts maybe you will find the truth soon. Maybe then you can move on. Have a bless day.
Dale Curry
Despite the disingenuous nature of the decision, and the manner it has been handled before and after Komen backed down from this absurd attempt to interject politics into what had been a community organization; it is time to put this matter behind us. The decision to wade into this witch hunt will be remembered as the worst of ideas for the Komen board. It will be most interesting to see if and how the organization handles the three senior members of the organization who resigned in protest. Komen needs to get them back in order to heal the wound, otherwise in this intense partisan divide they could be mortally wounded in the cross fire. For those of us who care for the health of the women benefit from these examinations it is important for us to forgive this folly. The devil, however, remains in the details. Will the Komen organization welcome back the women who resigned? Will they listen to their suggestions and keep the organization out of a hyper-partisan fight at the worst possible time? I applaud their decision to retreat, but you have to question the wisdom of a management that would make a decision in secret in the first place.
Dale Curry
@ Gypsy - Thank you for your kind words and concern as well. That being said there is certainly no truth for me in the hate filled disinformation of your comments in this forum. Base upon some of the conservatives that post hear, they do not appear to find much truth to your hate filled comments. I hope that your able to find the peace of tolerance for others. Until then, like you, I wish you a blessed day.
Lee Crites
@Dale, et al;
I don't particularly care for SGK, for several reasons. However, that said, what they did was not a partisan deal. They were responding, as they should have, to something outside of their control. They buckled to the decidedly partisan and hateful comments of those who didn't like their decision. That was their first mistake, and it was a serious one. What it said was "yup, we were doing this for political reasons, and we, a private organization, will be bullied by politically motivated shills."
If they "welcome back" those who resigned, that wil be their second mistake. And I think it will be a bigger mistake than the first one was. I say they take advantage of the resignations, and instead fill them with people who have a clue. Perhaps that will make a positive difference in the organization.
Understand, I don't like either SGK or PP. So for me, this is a non-issue. Two organizations I don't really care a fig for are being beaten and bruised by politically charged accusations and rhetoric -- from both sides of the debate. I think it is kind of funny.
Dale Curry
@ Lee - So pleased your pleased. Do you also giggle at funerals?
Anya Khan
Dear Dale,
How dare you say that I have not done research since it disagrees with your "killing a child is ok" attitude. Abortion is the major expenditure of pp. Komen grants do pay for the lights, the electricity, building maintenance that pp used while performing abortions. You are just another misogynistic wanker.
Dale Curry
@ AnyaKahn - Frankly, I do not even recall addressing you directly. It is doubtful I would do so, since you appear to be full of your righteous indignation, far be it for me to interrupt your drama fit. As for your name calling, and labels; like you personably, I find utterly laughable. Wanker? Who says such a thing? I do, however take issue with the label of misogynist. So, since we are name callin' and "how darin'" each other now; HOW DARE you put words in my mouth, you pretentious little shrew. I said nothing about the building etc. I merely pointed out within PP's overall line of business, abortion represents less than 5% of it's overall business. I also referred to the FACT that Senator Kyl, paragon or Republican virtue that he is, took to the Senate floor and knowingly LIED about the level of abortions that occur at PP. Not that anyone on the left is surprised an elected republican would LIE! We gave up on the truth from the right after Weapons of Mass Destruction. Furthermore, because someone recognizes and supports a woman's right to choose, you would be wise not to assume they are pro-abortion. When you do, you clearly demonstrate the right's utter hypocrisy on the subject of "individual freedom", as well as, your arrogance and intolerance at another person's view. Lastly, I respect your reasons for opposing abortion. I disagree. Even if you believe life begins at conception, and I do not. Before you start slinging your moral outrage at those on the other side, perhaps you should remember for a woman who does not wish to be pregnant, your precious collection of fertilized cells represents nothing more than a parasite. Your judgements and name calling demonstrate your flippin' arrogance and intolerance not only for those that disagree but also for those women facing this situation. Who are you to think you have the moral authority? For the record, I feel that JUDGING the morality between the two positions is a matter that should be left between a woman and whatever (if any) God she worships.
Lee Crites
@Dale: Yes, I have been known to laugh out loud af funerals, including my mother's service a few months ago. Many eulogies include humerous anecdotes. It is not a sin to laugh -- in fact, it's quite cathartic.
@Anya: You started to touch on one of my "problems" with the donations.
If an organization does something I do not agree with, personally, it is my option to help support that organization. Some I support; some I boycot -- but these are done for personal reasons. Everyone's personal reasons for doing something is their's to decide upon. I support that 100% because I support our social order built on the concept of plurality.
The problem I have is when people try to separate out the "offensive" actions of an organization with the "supported" actions of an organization. As you started to state, they cannot be separated. Every dollar donated to PP somehow helps support abortions. Even if that money does NOTHING to support an actual abortion, it still helps. How? Because it frees up other moneys that DO support abortions. So if I do not support abortions, I cannot contribute to anything PP does.
When SGK decided to recant their position and go back to supporting PP, they did so because of political pressure brought about, by and large, by the pro-abortion groups. I watched folks denigrate and castigate SGK for doing something perfectly valid with their money (withholding funds to an organization under investigation), and at the same time -- often in the same sentence -- damn the GOP/tea-party/whoever for exercising political pressure.
It is perfectly okay for the pro-abortion camp to exercise extreme political pressure and hateful name-calling in order to force someone to cowtow to their demands, but when the other side does it, well, as Andrew Klavan said in his YouTube video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s): SHUT UP!!!
If you go back and re-read all of my comments, I believe you will discover that I have not stated if I support abortion or not. Yet I have received rather vitrioloc messages from folks who are convinced that I am the devil. Why? I am questioning their tactics. This is a situation of the "excluded middle." Both the pro-life and pro-abotion camps believe -- very strongly, I might add -- that if you are not 100% supportive of their actions, then you are the devil incarnate, and worthy of their most rabid hatefullness. Hence those in the middle are treated with the same hatefulness as those who oppose -- by both sides.
The secret is to be able to disagree without being disagreable. i believe too few have discovered that secret.
Dale Curry
@ Lee - For those of us who support a woman's right to choose, your comments do not need further defining. Nothing could be any clearer than when you said, "It is perfectly okay for the pro-abortion camp to exercise extreme political pressure and hateful name-calling in order to force someone to cowtow to their demands, but when the other side does it, well, as Andrew Klavan said in his YouTube video".... . Your position on abortion seems pretty clear to me. Any doubt of where you stand is pretty much gone when you attack the "pro-abortion' forces for their "extreme political pressure and hateful name calling," when it was Anya who initiated the name calling when she referred to me as a "misogynist wanker", Again, I believe I might have an idea where you stand. The pressure exerted on our side is the fact that we (pro-choice) have long supported Komen foundation in it's fight. That is the point. It has been an organization who has been a place where both sides could come together in a fight against this killer of women. The money Komen pays PP has NOTHING to do with abortions. For the record, I do support a woman's right to choose, but also have deep reservations about abortions. If I was a woman, I doubt I could do it. But I am not a woman, and vilification of such decision or the right to such a decision has been a trademark of the Pro-Life. All that being said, I try not to attack those who oppose my views respectfully. I would never try to disrespect you for your position. Finally and ultimately, I have not seen any Pro-Life Doctors gunned down for delivering children, while there have been more than enough abortion Doctors gunned down for their beliefs. Thank you for your comments.
Anya Khan
Dalel, let you point how that you are a liar.agan
@ Anya Kahn - All that being said, it is important to get your facts correct. Perhaps you do believe that Planned Parenthood is an "abortion factory". However, if you looked at their annual report(s) and this Line of Business, you and Senator Kyle would realize that abortions account for less than 5% of their business. From our side of the debate, it is precisely tactics such as this, taking lie and making a ridiculous over the top statement that is designed to inflame the rhetoric that generally leads to a deterioration of debate into one personal attack after another. I understand your opposition to abortion. And while I strongly support a woman's right to choose, I would not be truthful if I did not admit that I have deep reservations about abortions. We could argue from now to the end of time about when life truly begins. I honestly do not know. However, even if life begins at conception; do you honestly believe you have the right or obligation to judge a woman who has an abortion? I do not.
Dale Curry
@ Anya - in your most recent post, your opening line where you call me a liar is typical throw gasoline on a fire rhetoric that has lead to the paralysis of this and many other issues. Frankly, I had forgotten that I had addressed you directly. I generally try to avoid comments that are highly personal and completely lacking of respect for those of opposing views. No where did I call you a name until you brought it to that level. At which point, I referred to you as a shrew. Thank you for proving my point. Have a nice day.
Lee Crites
@Dale; Sorry, but your slip is showing... I've been talking about BOTH sides doing the SAME thing. You still do not know my position on abortion. You only know your own heart and your own attitudes. For those who are looking, it is obvious where you stand. You are so rabidly anti-everyone-who-is-not-pro-abortion that you don't see how you are playing the same games that the people you denounce are playing -- and probably doing a worse job of it.
It is perfectly fine for you (yes, Dale, YOU) to call names and make denigrating remarks about people who disagree with you, and it is perfectly fine for you (yes, Dale, YOU) to put political pressure on an organization that is not doing something you want them to do -- but those who are doing the same thing on the OTHER side are evil. What am I missing?
Like I said, your slip is showing.
I'll say it again, watching the two sides hammer at each other and call each other names and denigrate/castigate one another is rather amusing. Yes, my humor is coming at your expense -- both sides. One day you'll see the humor, but only when you realize that what I have been saying is not supporting or condemning abortion, but is pointed at the ADVOCATES ot it -- again, on both sides.
Dale Curry
@ Lee - It is unfortunate that you find me so "rabidly" intolerant of those who are Pro LIfe. Especially after I previously commented "For the record, I do support a woman's right to choose, but also have deep reservations about abortions. If I was a woman, I doubt I could do it. But I am not a woman, and vilification of such decision or the right to such a decision has been a trademark of the Pro-Life. All that being said, I try not to attack those who oppose my views respectfully". Where is the lack of respect for differing views in that statement???? And where Lee have I called you a name?????? If you feel I have attacked your position with a tone that was a lack of respect, I am deeply sorry you feel that way. Nothing could be further from my intention. But we do disagree, rather profoundly. While you claim to be laughing at both, yet you only attack those comments who are Pro Life. As to my exerting influence over Komen! Or PP for that matter, is simply not true. The point I have been trying to make is for years, Komen has been the forefront of the fight against Brest Cancer. Many of my friends, on both sides of this argument, have been strong supporters of the organization. I have supported Komen. It was Komen that decided to wade into a highly partisan battle on an issue that has little to do with Brest Cancer. But because someone disagrees with you, and your Pro-Life friends, you feel it is acceptable to attack, vilify, and call names. For the record, earlier today, I took another more liberal publication to task earlier for attacking Ron Paul's poor choice of words when referring to "honest rape". The fact that you have systematically attacked and vilified everyone making Pro Choice comments is indicative of a position. That you find this argument laughable, and funny and that your laughing at "both sides" speaks volumes to the disingenuous nature of your argument. The fact that you would say that you are laughing at our expense, speaks volumes as to your ability to make a comment that is respectful of the other side. Thank you for your comments!
@Dale; Sorry, but your slip is showing... I've been talking about BOTH sides doing the SAME thing. You still do not know my position on abortion. You only know your own heart and your own attitudes. For those who are looking, it is obvious where you stand. You are so rabidly anti-everyone-who-is-not-pro-abortion that you don't see how you are playing the same games that the people you denounce are playing -- and probably doing a worse job of it.
It is perfectly fine for you (yes, Dale, YOU) to call names and make denigrating remarks about people who disagree with you, and it is perfectly fine for you (yes, Dale, YOU) to put political pressure on an organization that is not doing something you want them to do -- but those who are doing the same thing on the OTHER side are evil. What am I missing?
Like I said, your slip is showing.
I'll say it again, watching the two sides hammer at each other and call each other names and denigrate/castigate one another is rather amusing. Yes, my humor is coming at your expense -- both sides. One day you'll see the humor, but only when you realize that what I have been saying is not supporting or condemning abortion, but is pointed at the ADVOCATES ot it -- again, on both sides.
Anya Khan
@dale, so you are either a liar, stupid, or insane. I am done reading your nutcase postings..Get help
Dale Curry
To those who agree that this was an ill advised move on Komen's part, take a moment to let Komen know that you support Komen and that the actions of Karen Handel have placed the organizations good work in jeopardy. As Handel told here staff, "If we just say it's about investigations, we can defund Planned Parenthood and no one can blame us for being political."1
That's what Komen for the Cure's Vice President of Public Policy, Karen Handel told staff when she led the organization to defund Planned Parenthood's grants--a decision that has been at least temporarily reversed as of Friday.
If you believe that politics has no place in the fight against Brest Cancer, then please join us in calling for Handel to step down|:
http://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/Handel/?akid=10.203568.MJIHRy&page=19&rd=1&t=4
Dale Curry
@ Anya - That you are a bitter hate filled person is sad. That you feel you have some divine right to pass judgement on those that disagree with you is beyond pathetic. Have a "nice" day.